fivespot Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ahh, c'mon what's going on here??? Bigger city means more people and more places to go and more ways to get into trouble! How can anyone not understand this??? Link to comment
annie24 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Ahh, c'mon what's going on here??? Bigger city means more people and more places to go and more ways to get into trouble! How can anyone not understand this??? it can be the other way around too - teenagers in small cities where there is not much to do often get into a lot of drugs, drinking, sex on weekends. i went to high school in a very large city, and there were always things for us to do on weekends, like concerts, conventions, events, etc.... but talking to a lot of my friends in small towns, they didn't have anything else to do on weekends besides drugs and get pregnant. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Actually that's not true. Look at the oxytocin problems for example in small towns accross america (affecting mainly teenagers but also adults). Big cities typically have more cultural and other activities to prevent teenage boredom. Ghost -yes, of course my view is my personal opinion. I never tried to state it as fact and my opinion isn't a sweeping negative generalization about an entire group of people with no factual basis. My opinion is simply that I disagree that "most american women (under 30 and I believe not from small towns - your opinion is a moving target!) lack morals and values" And, I can't disprove what you wrote because what you wrote is not only a moving target, you've provided nothing but vague generalities about what you are referring to, so it's impossible to respond -- "all about family" "wholesome?" what do those mean (and those are just two of the subjective/unclear phrases you used). Link to comment
ghost69 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 don't try and make my statements look stupid and degrade what i said. agree to disagree since you apparently can't follow my point. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 24, 2008 Share Posted January 24, 2008 Sure agree to disagree is fine. I called it as I saw it, as did you. I can follow a point but as I mentioned, in my opinion you didn't make a point, it was a moving target, impossible to follow. Link to comment
CaptainPlanet Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 On the topic of city versus country. I don't think the size of the community has much of an impact. I think it has more to do with the economic situation. A small town with poor schools and little work for the kids will have a big drug and possibly crime problem. Put that into a large city and you have an even bigger drug and crime problem, not to mention prostitution and all the other horrible things that come with a poorly run society. Cities are by far worse lets not kid ourselves. Link to comment
CaptainPlanet Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 That stuff, paying for the meal, opening the door , courting, it's called chiveraly. Men still make more than women on average, the person with more money paying for the meal seems fair. Men still have more upper body strength, they can get the door. Modern relationships suck often. It would be nice if men were taught how to be chiveralous. When they do the same job for the same number of hours in most industries women actually earn more. Link to comment
alcide Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 All i can see in them dont waist your time trying to understand them.NOT WORTH IT AT ALL. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 25, 2008 Share Posted January 25, 2008 When they do the same job for the same number of hours in most industries women actually earn more. Basis please? Definitely not true in the U.S. although not suprisingly there are those who dispute it because of the factors of more women leaving the workplace to work in the home with children, etc. But since you made this statment as fact I'd be interested to know your basis. Link to comment
CaptainPlanet Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Basis please? Definitely not true in the U.S. although not suprisingly there are those who dispute it because of the factors of more women leaving the workplace to work in the home with children, etc. But since you made this statment as fact I'd be interested to know your basis. Google it. Lots of people in the US are grossly underpaid. I cannot believe that the minimum wage is so low. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 26, 2008 Share Posted January 26, 2008 Thanks - that has nothing to do with my question - your basis for claiming that women get paid more. Your response had to do with a different opinion about the minimum wage being too low in your opinion. Since you made the original statement I presumed you had facts to back it up. Link to comment
StretchGee Posted January 27, 2008 Share Posted January 27, 2008 Avergae wages increased every year but 1999 (the most recent recession): Year Period Hourly Rate Published 1997 Sep $15.09 Published 1998 Dec $15.72 Published 1999 Sep $15.36 Published 2000 Jul $15.80 Published 2001 Jan $16.23 Published 2002 Jul $17.18 Published 2003 Jul $17.75 Published 2004 Jul $18.09 Published 2005 Jun $18.62 Source - Bureau of Labor Statistics Minimum wage is a non-indicator of wages in general. MW applies only to enttry level jobs, and on the most unskilled will work for MW for very long before being moved up. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 Very interesting. Not what I was referring to - was referring to CP's statement without any back up that women earn more than men. CP then posted on the minimum wage for some unknown reason since it wasn't related to his initial point. Link to comment
Dako Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I Googled it. Where's the data, CP? All I find are figures showing the opposite. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I Googled it. Where's the data, CP? All I find are figures showing the opposite. Same here - the gap is decreasing but it is still there. Link to comment
StretchGee Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 BLS data from link removed allows queries with many characteristics. For 2007 avg weekly earnings Men 766, Women 614.... Is that why Men should be expected to pay for dinner? eries Id: LEU0252881800 Not Seasonally Adjusted Series title: (unadj)- Median usual weekly earnings (second quartile), Employed full time, Wage and salary workers, Men Percent/rates: N/A Earnings: Median usual weekly earnings - in current dollars (second quartile) Industry: All Industries Occupation: All Occupations Sex: Men Race: All Races Ethnic origin: All Origins Age: 16 years and over Education: Total Class of worker: Wage and salary workers, excluding incorporated self employed Labor force status: Employed full time Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual 2000 641 639 631 652 641 2001 659 664 676 681 670 2002 682 677 671 686 679 2003 695 692 689 704 695 2004 711 714 704 722 713 2005 729 713 716 731 722 2006 744 731 749 749 743 2007 759 763 767 774 766 Series Id: LEU0252882700 Not Seasonally Adjusted Series title: (unadj)- Median usual weekly earnings (second quartile), Employed full time, Wage and salary workers, Women Percent/rates: N/A Earnings: Median usual weekly earnings - in current dollars (second quartile) Industry: All Industries Occupation: All Occupations Sex: Women Race: All Races Ethnic origin: All Origins Age: 16 years and over Education: Total Class of worker: Wage and salary workers, excluding incorporated self employed Labor force status: Employed full time Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual 2000 489 486 494 503 493 2001 509 511 507 522 512 2002 530 520 527 542 529 2003 551 547 550 561 552 2004 567 572 571 578 573 2005 586 580 585 588 585 2006 600 593 599 609 600 2007 615 607 616 618 614 Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I've never expected a man to pay for dinner other than if he asks me out on a first date and he chooses the restaurant without asking if I have any budget constraints. Otherwise I expect him to offer to pay on the first date and I expect him to decline my offer to pay. Link to comment
Kantriakhor Posted January 28, 2008 Share Posted January 28, 2008 I don't personally put myself into the contexts of "men over the ages". I am not a man, I am a male human. I am me, and I choose not to be typified by my gender. I like being what one would call chivalrous, I just like being that way. I cry at movies sometimes, and I write poetry. I also know when to stand for myself and my loved one. My girlfriend and I believe in relationships and that to be in one means something. We both know that a relationship isn't all fields of flowers, it;s understanding, compromise, and supporting each other as well as expressing our love in whatever ways we feel safe and secure in doing. The trends of the present only hold as much sway as the people allow it. My girlfriend and I refuse to let our identities take on that role. She is her, and I am me, and that's all we care about. Link to comment
knightNshiningarmor Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 guess im still stuck in the old times, i pay and open doors...to bad women see the nice guy as the flame that will not leave and thus are not excited so go for someone else who has a spark. Think about it...what is a spark...its a flash of light thats bright but only for a split second...so dont ask me why men dont want a relationship rather ask why is it you keep seeking out these men when there are perfectly good ones you choose to avoid...and yes i live in the most superficial of all cities, great la la town.. but the fact of the matter women from my experience seek out the men that can only give them what they want in the short run and complain why they arent getting what the want in the long run. Link to comment
Dako Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 Thanks for the convincing data, Stretch. I try to pay once in a while, but not as a guy thing. Even tiny women can pick up a check. Link to comment
StretchGee Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I've never expected a man to pay for dinner other than if he asks me out on a first date and he chooses the restaurant without asking if I have any budget constraints. Otherwise I expect him to offer to pay on the first date and I expect him to decline my offer to pay. Well, the first is an easy test. I'd say it is a reasonable expectation for the person who made the date (date - not dinner meeting) should offer to pay. The second is a bit of complex mind reading and advanced game playing. Are there levels of declining to pay: gently refuse, stuff their own credit card into the waiter's hands, wrestle you to the floor and pin you while shouting "I pay! I pay!" (Personally, I'd 'gently refuse the offer'.) Link to comment
Batya33 Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 LOL - when I have offered on a first date where he did the asking, it's been in a polite understated way. I agree that it's not right to do that if I expect the man to say "no" to my offer so I limited that. However, I once met on a "first meet" through the internet at a popular dessert cafe. The bill was just under $30. The check came and I think he looked at it and I said "oh, let's split it" or words like that (I didn't want to see him again). He said "oh, thanks for treating! I LOVE being pampered." I was a little shocked but I couldn't see myself treating him (since what he said I thought was bizarre and maybe offensive even if he thought he misheard me). I said quietly "no, I meant to split it." He called again for another date - obviously didn't think he had been rude in the slightest. Link to comment
annie24 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 do you think maybe he was just making a joke, that didn't come out quite right - or he really wanted you to pick up his bill? Link to comment
Batya33 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I promise - he really wanted me to pay his bill. Link to comment
Montrell274 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 guess im still stuck in the old times, i pay and open doors...to bad women see the nice guy as the flame that will not leave and thus are not excited so go for someone else who has a spark. Welcome to my world. I'm stuck in this one because it was deeply embedded into my being. Didn't have a male father figure growing up, so it was my mother and her 'nice, being a gentleman' lifestyle that was instilled into my being. Link to comment
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