For the ladies in the message below about prostitutes

[Working Girl]

Yeah but you don't need to be high profile. If I were to go out for dinner with someone other than my partner in my town, Iwould guarrantee you I would run into someone I know. Same if I flew to Sydney to meet with someone. You just could not feel safe going out in public like that with somoen other than your partner surely.

 

Well, from what I've encountered, it's widely accepted in the circles these men run it. Very, very widely. As in, I'm usually not the only one there. But then again, I don't ask questions. And no one has ever said anything derogatory to me.

[melrich]

Well, from what I've encountered, it's widely accepted in the circles these men run it.

 

Amazing. And what about the real wives that are at these events, or is it all escorts? And if you were out to dinner at a top restaurant what if a female friend of your client walks by, or a friend of his wife?

 

If I was seeing someone on the side, I could only imagine I would be too nervous to even eat if we were out in public.

[annie24]

Amazing. And what about the real wives that are at these events, or is it all escorts? And if you were out to dinner at a top restaurant what if a female friend of your client walks by, or a friend of his wife?

 

If I was seeing someone on the side, I could only imagine I would be too nervous to even eat if we were out in public.

 

maybe it requires a special type of chutzpah to hire an escort or have a mistress?

[Working Girl]

So, as a girlfriend or wife, what "warning signs" are there that our man is off with an escort? (Besides finding plane tickets for him and another woman). And how, in your opinion, is the best way to prevent our man from straying? Is it really as simple as a woman giving a man a BJ or anal sex or whatever his sexual request is, so he doesn't have to seek it out elsewhere? But I imagine that even some women who do oblige their men's needs still get cheated on. So something else must be at play....

 

Warning Signs. Now that's a good question. Lol. A lot of men cheat, hell, a lot of women cheat, lol.

 

Let's see, if he suddenly no longer is asking you for sex. That would be the biggest. Even if it's been years. Sometimes it takes years. If he just brings you flowers or something nice out of the blue from a business meeting? Yeah, that's a guilt sign, probably wasn't really a business meeting. Although, if he's ever done that before, this doesn't apply.

 

Let's see, large amounts of cash being withdrawn. Most escorts only accept cash. If you see $300 missing in one transaction, that's a good sign. Find out what the going rate is in your area, keep an eye on bank statements for that amount.

 

Talk to your husband. Just as in marriages when my "clients" start getting bored, I try harder. Maybe surprise them with a wig, or a night of something they love. A sexy new outfit, no underwear at dinner, or bringing them back from the bathroom, lol. Maybe just talking to the person openly about experimenting with no judgements. A lot of men that I see mainly see me because they can tell me anything. Lol, and as they say, it never hurts to ask. Suggest something new, bring home a new toy, be comfortable in your skin. lol, that's the biggest. A lot of escorts are not that attractive, but are comfortable having their ass hosted up in the air and walking around naked even though they have some jiggly bits. Because men love confidence. Strut your stuff. Buy a garter, and thigh highs. Wear it out. Sometimes with my regulars, I make them skip dinner and make it a night about them, we order room service, light candles, drink champagne, draw a bath, rub each other's feet, etc. It's hard to do all the time, but an occasional surprise of things like that put an extra spring in his step and take the boredom away, lol. You'll never see someone smile so much as a night where their partner caters to them. If he likes baseball put on the game and wear only a jersey. On commercials take your time teasing him. Cook his favorite meal and get his favorite beer. Then, no matter who wins, tell him how he won your heart. Remind him of special times together and the show him how much you appreciate him.

 

Lol, I'm no expert, those are just things I've done for my main client whom I've been seeing for a year now. Things started to wane so I started to get creative. I read cosmo a lot too.

 

Oh, and men love when you take the time to get pretty for them. They really appreciate that. Lol. I always found that funny.

[Working Girl]

Amazing. And what about the real wives that are at these events, or is it all escorts? And if you were out to dinner at a top restaurant what if a female friend of your client walks by, or a friend of his wife?

 

If I was seeing someone on the side, I could only imagine I would be too nervous to even eat if we were out in public.

 

Well, Melrich, I would imagine you are not the type to do this thing, and I applaud that. I choose to do this because there is a big enough market to keep me well funded. Enough men either don't care, or are traveling, or, well, I don't know. Most of my clients are the executive, single, traveling type. I'm booked out through August to be honest with you. My top clients and I have to "synch" our blackberries, lol.

 

Although, I would imagine it would not be hard to go see a girl at her apartment for an hour or two, lol. Dinners out to some ARE impossible, but that's what the different niche's are for.

 

Oops. Edited to respond to the real wives comment. I am not introduced to anyone that has ever said anything. Even if they frown behind my back, they greet me with open arms to my face. I don't know why, lol, to be honest with you. They dont' know, or they know or they are just nice enough to not say anything.

[melrich]

They dont' know, or they know or they are just nice enough to not say anything.

 

I'm sure they don't to you, I just don't get how no one says anything to the wives.

 

I would imagine you are not the type to do this thing

 

I'm not but I understand that there are people that do. I just don't understand how people are so open about it. Honestly if I turned up at a function with someone other than my partner....well I couldn't, my friends would say something to me about it, they'd also say something to my partner about it. Different world I guess.

 

Enough men either don't care

 

I guess that is it.

[Luke Skywalker]

This thread is should be in the sex and romance section. This is a sex-thread not a career thread. Not a valid career.

[rocio]

So can I be an escort without ever sleeping with the men? Or touching them in any way whatsoever...? Because if so, where can I sign up??? And if not, then it's prostitution, plain and simple.

[MissTee]

I feel sad for the girlfriends and wives of those men

 

Do you not a have conscience when you know that the man you are seeing is in a relationship? IMO that is extremely immoral.

[caro33]

This thread is should be in the sex and romance section. This is a sex-thread not a career thread. Not a valid career.

 

It's not the mainstream but as some people's career choice it's a career.

 

Having said that, I'm sorry to get all judgemental on you Working Girl, but I hope your thread doesn't encourage some of our members to think it's all a joyride for big bucks. I guess I want to understand the practical issues for you a little more, if you will indulge me...

 

Working Girl you have already alluded to the costs to you of maintaining this life: the high maintenance of your body, the blocking out of love, and you have also mentioned the guy who licked you. Is that really the worst it's gotten? What time do you need to spend on this self-maintenance, and what's the cost outlay compared to the dollars you make? What other issues are on the horizon for you that your basic office worker would not experience?

 

I may have missed this, but how long have you been doing this for, and what do you think is the average time spent by a woman doing this?

 

How does this affect the rest of your life? As I read it, you also have a day job that is not related to being an escort, is that correct? So you have something to rely on career-wise that is not related to escort work?

 

Is there a chance that the longer you do it, the more time you'll then choose to stay in the business, or do you think you'll be able to quit cold turkey when the time is "right"?

 

If you did stay in the business would you progressively become less high class as you aged? Would you then make less money (I assume so). Do some escorts end up having to go into porn or prostitution to maintain their lifestyle as they age?

[CaptainPlanet]

Whats the problem ? its a job you get paid. Its a service you pay for it. People need to stop being so high, mighty and judgemental. Its just sex my god get over it.

 

Seriously my aunty was a prositute she worked the job so that she could buy nice things for her three children. No one in my family cared.

 

Legalize, mainstream and be done with it. Then you'll all the whoo har is about nothing more than sex and the nay sayers can nay say about pre marital and hate the men who go and get a little. The men who would never pay for sex and think its disgusting ? they can never pay for sex then.

 

Personally couldn't do it. For me sex and alove are not separate but I don't judge people who think differently.

[Fisch]

Thanks for the response WG. This is what I thought I would hear. All the same, while the ED cases make sense. The not having time to woo a woman doesn't really win me over. It is obviously a personal preference of my own, but there are plenty of obstacles in many peoples way. I just dont think that any of them should mean that you should need to pay for someone's company. Frankly I would be alone before I payed someone who may not even really have any interest in me hang around. I just feel like social interaction and especially romantic interaction should be based off a natural desire to do so. Granted, I dont even buy drinks for girls I dont already know at bars because I think it is like paying them to talk to you (and I know plenty of gals that abuse this). If a random gal asks me, I usually ask tell them that I will buy theirs if they will buy mine. It seems like a strange dichotomy though, it is flattering for people to want to pay to have you around at the same time you are hanging out with people because they are paying you which while I find absolutely nothing immoral about, but it does seem demeaning for both parties really. I guess its because in the end no matter how you look at it, the reason you are there is because you are getting paid. I dont think that there is anything wrong with escort services or similar professions. There are people that benefit from the industry in a good way. I just dont find the image of pride that people hold it up to many times congruent with my view on it. I dont even think its disgusting, I guess it is just a matter of standards for me. Maybe it would clear things up if I were to ask you would you want to date any of the guys that you have escorted?

[Biffy]

I always find it curious when people call it the world's oldest profession as a justification.

 

I take issue with prostitution being labelled the world's oldest profession...

 

Surely there had to be a profession before in order to actually pay for the services provided by the prostitute.

 

Just a thought.

[Working Girl]

I don't mind being judged, I realize that what I do is not mainstream acceptable, which is why I posted it.

 

No, this profession is not for everyone. I'll answer any questions directed at me in a reasonably respectable manner.

 

The time I spend on my maintinenece level is really ridiculous. Lol. That's why, whenever I can, I walk around in sweats, etc. I'm at the gym every single day, for at least an hour. I read the newspaper on current events every day to stay current on what my men want to talk about. I get my nails done every other week and get waxed, etc. I'm going for laiser hair removal now....so that will be out. I get my teeth whitened once a year but wear those white strips inbetween. I get my hair cut and done once a month. I get spray tanned only once a week as I'm naturally fair, so I dno't want to look too fake. I eat incredibly healthy because at these dinners you usually don't get that option. I get my clothes taken in and out so that they fit my body constantly. I have a personal trainer I use three times a week and sometimes 4. I have a driver that takes me to these places, so that's a big expense. If I have a big event, I get my nails done to match and my hair blown out.

 

All that being laid out, the cost ratio is still great. Usually, the men that I see pay for different aspects of all that as well as my usual fee. It takes a little hinting, but for instance, one of my regulars has me charge all spa treatments to him, hair, nails, etc. He also covers the spray tanning. Another of my regulars pays for my gym time and most of my training costs. I pay for all alterations (it's in the details), but another gentleman pays for the local papers to be delivered to my house. Sometimes of course I do need to cover some expenses myself, but that's part of the job so to speak.

 

I do worry about being able to quit when the time is right, to be very honest with you. It's nice, all the attention, the money, etc. However, I am investing correctly and living well below my means in every other area, so I would say all in all, I'm taking the right steps. Obviously, one of the biggest adjustments will be the lavish attention that is paid to me by these men, I realize that is not realistic, however I guess it's part of the job.

 

Some older women yes, they try to stay in it, or didn't do it correctly when young and if they come back to this, I've heard countless stories of having to downgrade their prices, etc, become strictly pay for sex, no escorting at all. To me, I feel bad for them, but they did make their mistakes and they are living with their consequenses. I don't plan on doing this much longer. But that really depends on my portfolio. I have certain goals portfolio-wise that I set out to obtain when I started this. I do understand that there is a smart way to do this and there is a dumb way. Just as in being a dancer/stripper. It really all depends. Did you save the money you made for a rainy day? Or did you blow through it thinking it would always be there.

 

That being said, I will not stay in the business into my 30's. I plan to set myself up and then leave. But I do have weekly, monthly, quarterly and yearly goals set for myself, just as in any regular profession.

 

Although, just for the record, not everyone takes as good care of herself as I do. I cater to a certain type of man. I know of one man, has the teeniest wife ever and his "hobby" is to get huge black women. The bigger the better. He couldn't think I'm less attractive, lol. So for every look, there is a clientele.

[Working Girl]

So can I be an escort without ever sleeping with the men? Or touching them in any way whatsoever...? Because if so, where can I sign up??? And if not, then it's prostitution, plain and simple.

 

Amber, you make me laugh. The men that I "date" do not (don't know the rules here, mods, please let me know if that's out of line)non stop for the 3 days they ask me to be their escort. Usually, if there is sex involved, which as I already stated more than half of my clients cannot perform, it is once,maybe twice over an extended period. It is more about the company that I keep than the sex itself. But then again, I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that.

 

Free your mind....and the rest will follow.

[metrogirl]

Forgive me if this has been asked, I didn't read all the posters responses, but have you ever encountered a situation that was dangerous?

 

Do you have someone that knows where you are at all times just in case?

[Working Girl]

Fisch-it's a business. These men are wealthy enough that they want to be able to spend their available time with a woman who is well groomed, very well educated, beautiful and can fit in well no matter where they're taken. They don't want the chance of being embarrassed, or having a fight on a nice vacation. I offer them the "girlfriend experience" withouth all the nonsense. I believe the majority would not view it as paying for my company, they're paying me to behave a certain way, not cause a scene or a fight, or leave them alone for too long, or leave them alone most of the time, etc. They want to be able to pick, a redhead, blonde, etc. They want the girlfriend they've always wanted......and then they want me to leave.

 

It really isn't so much about paying me to be with them. They're paying to get exactly what they want. I have a gentleman that I see who's retired and loves to travel. His wife hates it. They essentially live separate lives but both are too old to be divorced, and of course it would cost him a fortune. So, he takes me when he travels. He's so lonely, but married. Doesn't want to get divorced, but doesn't want to be lonely anymore. He figures these are his golden years, why not enjoy them? We are never romantically involved, but yes, we act lovey-dovey. We hold hands, cuddle, etc. For him, he longs for the appreciation that I give him. He loves when I get all giddy when he books a trip for us, and that I thank him profusely. He loves the small measures of attention I give him, things he hasn't gotten in years. I treat him like he's special, because to me, he is.

 

As far as would I date some of the men who have hired me for my company, that is a tough question. One I wrestle with constantly. Yes, some I would date. But I could never let them know that. As long as it's kept as a business transaction, no feelings are ever hurt, when people start execting too much, etc, then feelings get hurt. Most of the men that I "date" are handsome, well groomed and older and wiser. They are financially secure and shower me with gifts and affection.

[Fisch]

Instead of going through any more long winded explanations, I will just say that I think it is lame to pay people to spend time with you. Just because these guys are looking for something specific that they cant seem to find without money simply means to me that they are putting this need for a preference above things that I dont think you should put ANYTHING above. I dont want to make an absolute generalization though, some of these special caes make sense to me. In other words this is my own opinion for myself in my own situation.

[rocio]

Amber, you make me laugh. The men that I "date" do not f*ck (don't know the rules here, mods, please let me know if that's out of line)non stop for the 3 days they ask me to be their escort. Usually, if there is sex involved, which as I already stated more than half of my clients cannot perform, it is once,maybe twice over an extended period. It is more about the company that I keep than the sex itself. But then again, I wouldn't expect someone like you to understand that.

 

Free your mind....and the rest will follow.

 

Someone like me? That's lame and you know it.

 

All I'm saying is that if sex is a essential part of the job (ie: you couldn't be an escort if you never offered sex), then you are trading sex for money. The proportion of your time spent engaging in sexual activity, or the proportion of clients that you engage in sexual activity with is irrelevant.

 

I have no problem with prostitution in general I just think it's cheesy to try and pretend it's something else. And justifying to yourself why your clients cheat on their wives. You're just fooling yourself and no one else. Why do you feel the need to justify it? Personally I don't think you have a moral obligation to those wives. You shouldn't even feel the need to come up with excuses for them. Those men are the ones who said the vows and are responsible to uphold them.

 

I don't have a problem with women selling their bodies and I don't have a problem with mistresses. Just be straight up about what you do.

[caro33]

Thanks for your response Working Girl, appreciate your honesty. Sounds like you are managing the situation to your advantage, I hope it all works out as you plan .

[JadedStar]

I agree that her "someone like you" comment was not necessary. I detect defensiveness.

[MissTee]

I still want to know where your conscience is when you know the man that you are dating is married or in a relationship??

[caro33]

MissTee, just out of interest, why is it her responsibility? She is a business woman and is not the one letting anyone down.

 

In my view the ethical dilemma stands more with any person who might be cheating than the person they cheat with. It's also not as though she is actively seeking out these men individually to entice them away from their partners into having a relationship with her; this is a business relationship forged by the man approaching her to look for an escort. It may well not involve sex, and he may well have the full approval of the wife.

[FortunateOne]

Wow! It amazes me no one brings up the negative psycological ramaficattions to the OP and her clientele. For one to positively impact the world one needs to help heal the human condition. Imagine the chilhood issues these parties posses and can't let go? I feel sadness for the OP for the isolation she must daily deal with and the "Johns" that never built a solid identity to live life by. I guess the money is seed to this unhealthy life style for both in an extreme way. There's no balance and the capricious need for instant gratification surpasses their emotional needs. How healthy is that?

 

Just think, for the OP or "Johns" to build an unhealthy psycological barrier to feel no emotions towards their close friendships, their altuistic reciprocity, their leadership authority, their social resposibility, their relationship commitments and their authentic originality identity based on a solid psycho-anthropological evolvement of positive moral human belief is akin to the justification of the selling illegal controlled substances by a druglord who's mental health attitude is defined as being a sociopath.

[Working Girl]

Amber, I took the time to lay out exactly what goes on. I'm not trying to justify it, or anything of the sort. But you enter a one line judgmental accusation? That's the response you'll get, if you would have posed the question as you did in your last post maybe you would not have gotten the hostility. What I do does not in fact constitute prostitution. That is why what I do is LEGAL. Plain and simple. I have a license to escort and it is in fact legal. The money is never exchanged for sex. Sex is not an essential part of the job and I've spent countless posts explaining that. Please. Read them, and if you have a question, then ask in an intelligent manor and I will respond in such. Do not generalize from the two sentences that you chose to read. That is the only thing I will not respect. I understand that I am judged by this and that is why I will choose to remain anonymous. I also understand from your first post that you have already judged me. So it's okay for you to do so to me, but not to you? What's good for the goose and all.

 

Also, I don't think I've justified anything to anyone. I'm explaining a part of society that I am a member of that many people do not understand and look down upon because as I have already said, many people simply fear the unknown. I am a big advocate to try to legalize prostitution everywhere, but I believe before that happens, people need to understand what really goes on. I read a post on the divorce page and wanted to put myself out there for questions...many of the women (while rightly so hurt and maybe out of hurt) were calling the women basically cesspools for diseases. Which is so far from the case it's laughable. That does happen with street prostitution is the only distinction I was really trying to make.

 

In most cities it is a very well organized arena where girls are reviewed countless times, graded by what services they offer and their appearance is, etc. It is not the scenes in movies that everyone seems to think it is.

 

And you're right, I do not have a moral obligation to their wives. But I'll explain that further in another post.