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I never said not to listen, I was just saying that from a girl's point of view it sounded as if you were advising him to go pretty fast. That is what the sentence "copping a feelski" seems to imply, and I didn't want him to get the wrong impression. I liked you first paragraph, I was just saying that from a girls perspective juping to the second one really suddenly seems like a bad idea (and I do realize i can't speak for all girls, im just voicing my opinion). And he should only ask her what to do if she gets all freaked out becasue then our advice was obviously not helpful and she is not being very claer about her wishes. I alos never said that you said to grop her, I said that he shouldn't, becasue when moving really qucikly in a heated moment it is easy to do things in a not-so-delicate manor. Also, I was not saying to give her control of the situation. If she can be as up front to say that she would like hm to do something different and he asks what that is, then he should easily be able to tell her what he would like in return.

I'm just wondering. Is it way too forward to kiss a guy before you've asked him out. Like almost in place of asking him out? And then having the discussion. Like if u really want to show him how much you like him. Would that come off as u feeling grealtey for him or as you being a kind of s l u t? Guys, yould you find that hot or overbearing? Also, I was wondering what you think are good time-line guide limits when kissing (e.g. first kiss after so long, making out after how long, heavy making out with feeling after how long, that sort of thing.) Any opinions would be great thanks.

Give her a quick kiss on the cheek, like really quick, and then look at her to gauge her reaction. If she seems happy then lean in and give her a soft kiss on the lips and take things from there.

Uh, yah, about that last post...... Don't do that. Like it's fine if you want to try new stuff, but don't say '"Well, you told me to use my hands"' becasue that might very well just piss her off. Just apologize and say "what would you like me to do....." and kind of leave it at that. If she doesn't say then you know you've gone too far and maybe should stick with the basics. But if she;s asking for more, then I don't see where that would be an issue. Just don't jump all over the place. Slowly moving to different areas is much better then all of a sudden gropping her. It also build excitement and gives her a chance to stop you if she doesn't feel comfortable with what you're doing.

Please, i am in desperate need of a pick-me-up. What is your best story of your most romantic evening, best first kiss, best first anything, really anything extremley romantic. Please, any stories would be helpful! Thank you so much

I hope so for you too! She could have just been trying to play hard to get, even if that seems to go against her personality, becasue some people do do that.

She is not the right one for you. That's why this happened. Once she breaks up with this person she will come back to you, expecting for you to take her back. You will want to. But you can't. You absoutley can't. She will only cause more problems for you. One day you will find a girl that is as sweet as a flower's scent and the only wod you will be able to describe her as will be bliss.

And if you're thinking easier said then done when people tell you just to say something, I'm on your side with that.

That's been my problem for a year and a half +........ tell me what YOU do lol.

It depends on the shape of the guys face, colour of his hair, and his personality. Basically, for most girls, it differs from guy to guy.

Wow, I was wondering how much contreversay my statement would cause. Even after I clarified my position, everyone else felt they had to do the same. But no one ever apologized for agism... hmm. Anyway, thank you for whatever type of input you have supplied, be it comical, defensive, related, or any other. This would be an interesting sociological study (thanks for the project idea for next term's class). On a side note, getting back to the origins of this poste, I have discovered that he was doing what he did in order to appear more outgoing in an attempt to impress his peers (myself included). For anyone's future reference, this is not the best way to impress femals with the same qualities as myself. I have also heard evidence (straight from the horse's mouth for lack of a better term) from his best friends that he is asking someone out soon. Guess who I'm rooting for? I hope this situation resolves itself within the coming future. One last thought. The pen is truly mighitier then the sword (even if you don't know how to correctly spell

The easiest thing to talk about is movies. Just talk about any random one and she'll start talking about whatever. Use this if u have absoutley nothing to say. Otherwise just ask her thing likes how was your day, what did you do, things like that. If you want to get to know more about her, just ask random things like who her favourite band is, what concerts she has been to, things that tell u about her personality. There will always be conversations to go along with personal topics, and jsut go with the flo. Don't be afraid to share. Oh, and if she's the type fo girl who likes it, compliment her. That could make her day. TO find out is she likes complimets or not, simply compliment her and you'll be able to gauge from her reaction if she likes them or not. Just talk about random stuff! That's the most fun.

Yes, but i'm weird like that. lol, aw c'est la vie mon amis

Um, I think this was her nice way of saying no. Either that or she was so shocked that you liked her she didn't know what to say. As hard as it is, you have to wait until she gets back to you. But don't push it. If she doens't like you and is tryign to let you off nicley, then you don't want to push her to make a scene about it. Whatever the outcome, just remember that there are fun times ahead, either with this girl, or with another, who will think it's the sweetest thing in the world for you to ask her to be your valentine.

Alright, there has been major confusion. I am about the last person to be called sexist, racist, u name it. I am deeply sorry if i truly offended the male or female populous. This was not my intent. I was venting more about a single person, and used "they" as a synonym for "he". I will now try to reconstruct the true meaning of this thread. I am so bloody confused. One minute I hate all guys beacsue of something one has done (at this time i did hate all guys in my life because of what one had done, but really, this was the only one i considered to actually be in my world. This was not referring to every male on the planet.), then next i like them (him)beacsue they (he) do (does)something cute, and then they (he)turn (s) around and do (does)something that makes me want to kill (not so much kill as yell that he hurt me and what the hell were u thinking) them (him). SO tell me your (stories about how u as a male or female have experienced truly romantic acts or horrible ones from either sex) stories, plead you case (actually tell me why guys, more my guy, act like they like you for 1 and 1/2 + years through smiles, major eye contact, and just actions and speeches, and then all of a sudden do something one day to make me think they (he, sorry) never even cared, do what you must (tell me why this one guy is driving me insaine!). I want to know if guys (mine) are truly nice (nice as in respectful, loving, and caring), or if that is just what i want to think to keep liking a certain guy (even though i think hes nice...) (this last sentence jsut doesn't make any sense at all) AHHHH! The verbal form of my frusturation. Okay, so basically what I was trying to say is that someone kind of hurt me, but not really, i blew it way out of proportion, and now I feel like I need true stories of romance to bring back my faith in him, even though it's not fully lost. I don't know, I could be insaine (more then likley). My thoughts were obviosuly very misconstrued and I wrote the thread in an attempt to vent my frustrations and seek help. I was not very midful of what I was typing, and I really am sorry that it came off sexist. I feel aboutley horrible about that. I just need hints and signs to tell me f he likes me at all and stories about past, current, or (hopefully) future realtionships in which you met someone who truly made u happy, and the circumstances under which u met. Omce again, I apologize.

I am so bloody confused. One minute I hate all guys beacsue of somethign one has done, then next i like them beacsue they do something cute, adn then they turn around and do something that makes me want to kill them. SO tell me your stories, plead you case, do what you must. I want to know if guys are truly nice, or if that is just what i want to think to keep liking a certain guy (even though i think hes nice...) AHHHH!

Don't worry about it. Honestly, i've had friends who aren't 100 pounds go out with guys who are, and it was never and issue. EVER. not all gusy are as shallow as we sometimes think, give them some credit. it takes a lot of courage to go out with him, and chances are he is more worried about what you think of him, just like your worried about what he'll think of you.

Thanks for commenting on my thread ("Is he worht it?"). I just feel like i'm playing russian roulette every time i look at him though...... lol. Oh well, i guess i'll try staring at him for a while and see waht happens. Hopefully it wont come off too stokerish.........

Thanks guys So you all just think he was finally being a guy in front of me? If it's not a huge deal then maybe we (my friends who are girls) are blowing it way out of proportion. Myabe tomorrow i'll finally be able to tell him how i feel.....

Oh, and by the way, this is a guy i like, not an ex (ive liked him for 1 1.2 years :S ) Sorry i was angry when i was typing the main message and some of my thoughts were a little misconstrude. I've edited it now, but he was yelling your hot to another, not to me, and someone told me he was doing this to make me jealious. Evenm his best friend was shocked to hear him say that because hes so shy normally.

(Oh, and by the way, this is a guy i like, not an ex (ive liked him for 1 1.2 years :S )) Why do guys act so out of character! Why do you think yelling your hot to a random girl will make me jealious of the girl you yelled it to. how will complimenting in a rude fashion anither girl make me realize that you like me (this is some of the adivce i have been given)? In what twisted universe do guys think that making me cry is going to make you appear more macho in my eyes! That justy makes you appear a jerk! Look at my other thread to se what i'm talking about in detail. Why would a guy do those types of things! Especially when i and company (includng his friends) are almsot positive he lieks me . It's hard for me to ask someone out, especially now that he hurt me without even knowing it! GUYS, PLEASE TELL ME WHY YOU DO THIS! Tell me why a guy would do anything like this, and what all the possible reasons are. I'm so lost........

it depends how close you are to that girl. trying saying ive never felt this way instead of saying u love her (that might make me angry that u were throwing around such a special concept since uve never gone out with her (if you have, pardon my ignorance)) unless you really do love her and thats the way you feel. then say it. if i really loved/liked the guy that said that to me, do you know what i would say back to him? nothing. i would be kissing him (and that's saying alot as i've only kissed one guy once and had the opportunity to many a time).

Being of the female gender, I have to say yes to scenario 1 dude. If he's that nervous and shy about asking you out, then he obviosuly cares about you enough that he really wants you to say yes. He's so afraid of rejection. Or he could just be afraid of being rejected ad being mocked by whoever. He could not care about the girl at all. If he barley knows her it could be a crush or just someone he thinks is hot. Hard call. i would say yes to shy guy if i knew him well. If i didn't, i'm not sure if i would. I am a strong believer in being friends/friendly first. Wow, I guess I just changed my answer. If I did know the guy then yes, and if not it wouild be a really hard call (I can't hurt people, it just causes me to be upset knowing I hurt or rejected another person).

good question. myself, being a girl, would like to know the same about guys. for us it's simple (simple to us mind you). show you care. doing things like opening doors, smiling, paying attention to what she says, and (my personal favourite) looking deep into her eyes when you say something are all terrific ways to show u care on a more-then-just-friends level. These things don't always prove helpful if you're generakky a very curtious guy, but acting out of character and being extremley nice will let anyone know something is up (just don't stop being yourself, because then you are lying, and no relationship can last from a lie.) If you don't want to ruin the friendship but still want to let her know how you feel, you coud say something like "i feel like we're connecting on a level deeper then friends." If she agrees then you're in. If she says something to the affect that she doesn't know what you're talking about then u can always just play it off as a joke. If she asks you to explain further, I would just grit my teeth and bare it. Ask her out (hopefully she won't be that unperceptive). Those are basically all the scenarios answers i can think of at this point. Would you mind telling me how the hell i can tell a guy! lol Thanks

How have 50 people seen this and only 1 commented? grrr