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I think you are on to something ^. It depends on the woman.

I never did that intentionally, but it's happened with me on accident 'cause I've got a lot of women friends and other women don't understand, sometimes. I always thought it backfired. However, some of my women friends tell me it backfired becasuse I didn't follow up by asking her out. Others just think it's a backfire period. So I don't know if it would have worked out or not, had I followed up. I only know it's happened to me on accident, and it felt unpleasant.

I thought you liked..., well never mind then. Go to the Asian dances then. There's girls galore for you. They're all concentrated into one stop shopping convenience at a single location and time. That's ideal. Why don't white folks have these type dances anymore? They used to in my grandparents day. We don't have them around here anymore for adults. Not that I know of. Only for kids. Dances are great, even if you can't dance much, if any. They're a social event whether you dance or not. Colleges have dances too. You're in school (assuming you signed up).

Oh, I forgot. You aren't into Asian girls. You like white girls of a certain build, especially blondes. Well white girls are scarce at Asian dances, and the few that are there are likely taken because many Asian guys seem to share your tastes. FYI - My sister fits what you like (but she's married now). She was an Asian Studies and International Business major and has two degrees. She lived in Japan for 2 years. The Asian dudes liked her to much, which intimidated her and made her nervous. She wasn't used to that level of attention and interest from men. So take that as a clue and act interested, but not to interested when you like. Many Mexican guys also share your tastes and used to hit on my sister a lot. The Mexican dudes have a reasonably good concept of cool. She married one. It's difficult to approach a women you really want bad. It's more difficult to do it in a cool, confident way because when you want her that much, you've got pressure on you. However, showing interest in a restrained, controlled, confident manner seems to work best in most cases. Of course exceptions exist, since some women like shy guys. To bad that Asian dances won't work for your tastes. Well, take me to one then. They work for me.

Why aren't you going to the Asian community dances? Those things are AWESOME. I've been to a few myself when my Asian friends invited me. I've danced with more Asian women in one night than all others in my entire life combined. I'm not even Asian (well not enough to see, I'm actually an eighth). Those dances are fun and the babes are out in force. Why on earth aren't you taking advantage of that? If I lived in the same local area as you, I'd call some Asian friends and hook you up to go, which would be a good excuse for me to go to another one too.

Does that looking down stuff vs looking to the side apply only to men who are caught looking, or to women too? Does it apply to either sex? If so, that would be immensely useful to me when I see women look away.

Your info sounds excellent. I do look away from shyness often. If I'm really embarrassed, I look down. If I'm slightly embarrassed and trying be cool and hide my shyness, I look to the side. If I'm not interested, I look to the side. Mmm. What chance do women have to figure me out? That's why direct is best, if I can muster the courage. Working on that. FYI - Looking down does not mean at her teets. That would mean interest again, IMO. All this stuff reminds me of a documentary on the mating dances of some bird, except we are the birds.

You'd want to anyway.

Excellent advice and I'm going to use it. Thanks. I'm also light sensitive. To little messes with my head. I didn't know tanning helped with that. Aside from acne control, I want to be the same color as the average white person, so I don't stand out like Casper the ghost. A "tan" for me is the same color as average white folks who don't have a tan. I'm not trying to be brown, I just don't want to be literally white, and also don't want acne. It only takes a little bit of tanning to kill and prevent acne.

You reminded me of something funny. I used to work at a computer company that was next door to a tanning salon. Us computer geeks used to marvel at the sexy, tan young women in their early 20s who came and went from that place. We equally marveled at the amazingly wrinkled women in their 30s who looked like 50s who came and went. I remember one woman in her 40s, I'd guess based on her body, but her face looked like 60s. Really. I think tanning the face, arms, and hands are the main concern. It gets sun everywhere you go, unless you wear a straw hat, and even then it gets some. Your face does not need or want more sun exposure in your life. Same with hands and forearms. However, the rest of your body (at least mine) does not get much sun, so I really don't think some intentional tanning will hurt me, and it prevents acne on my back. However, I don't want it on my face, hands, or arms. Take a look at the wrinkled tanners in their 30s and 40s. It's their faces and forearms that look like they've been put through a food dehydrator. The rest of them looks good.

Interesting. Maybe that's why I always see my dad with a giant 16 oz glass of water in his hand. He never mentioned that, but he certainly drinks a lot of water.

Loofah, huh? Ya, that'd work good. That doesn't sound hill billyish at all (someone elses post). It sounds French, fancy, and sophisticated to me. Whatever works. A terry wash rag used by another, or a back brush with medium to stiff bristles works same as a loofah, but doesn't sound as fancy.

I like my back brush bristles still enough to bust anything open so the soap can get in. FYI - the most effective soap for killing acne is shaving cream. I know that because I've tried them all. Irish spring is also good.

Oh ya man, I can tell you for sure. At least what works for me. I had acne as a teen, then went away in 20s. However, in 30s I got this new miracle drug for arthritis that my earlier severe injuries had caused, or to be accurate - activated arthur. i.e. - activated arthur young instead of as a senior. Any how, that new miracle drug suppresses my immune system to control arthur. Then acne came back. So I started doing what I'd done to get rid of it in my early 20s. Two things are very effective, IME. One is sun bathing. The UV penetrates your skin deeper than alcohol or anything else can. It disinfects the surface and under the surface a bit. Bacteria, molds, and viruses lack skin to protect them from UV. As skinless organisms, they are very easily killed by UV. So a bit of sun, less than would burn you (even if fair skinned like me), will easily kill the germs, which kills the acne. I've found this immensely effective. Problem is that we only have about 3 months of sun in my climate, at most. I mean sun where it's warm enough to take off shirt and where the sun is at an angle in sky to be strong enough. You can go do artificial tanning when the sun is not available. It works to, a friend tells me. I've never done it. I want to start soon though. I use alcohol in the months without sun. My dad, or mom, or one of my women friends (she volunteered and insisted on helping me) will put some 99% rubbing alcohol (stronger the better) on a terry wash cloth and scrub my back with it. I find that twice a week is adequate to keep my back acne free. Has to be a terry wash cloth and a hard rub. Hard enough to sting and hurt slightly. FYI - right after you sunbath or get an alcohol rub, do NOT put the same shirt back on because you are just putting the germs back. Always have a clean shirt to put on afterwards. The above is a cure at best, and at worst, it still controls it very well. During the time I had a lung infection recently, I did not leave home much. So no alcohol rubs for me, and obviously no sun or tanning. The acne came back on me and it's like falling dominos. One zit makes another and another. It spreads. Well, I'm feeling better now. So one of my first priorities is some alcohol. If you use Vodka, that works to, and the poor bastard who has to do the deed can have a shot first. The sun controls and prevents the infectious aspect of acne (white heads and redness). However, the sun does little to help with blackheads (grease in pores). To solve the grease in pores issue that makes black heads, do all of these things: 1) Whenever you shower, use a back scrubber brush with soap on it and SCRUB. Any soap works: shampoo, hand soap like Irish Spring. Dove and related moisturizer bars are greasy and will only add to your problem. You aren't dry, you are oily. Avoid skin moisturizers. The soap scrubbing removes blackheads at same time it disinfects whiteheads. But you have to scub hard enough to bust those things open. Yuck and owe, but if you do this with brush and soap, the problem goes away. 2) Reduce the fat and oils in your diet as much as possible. Not only will you be slimmer and live longer, but your skin won't be so oily, so you'll form less blackheads. 3) The alcohol rubs dissolve the oils from your skin, which includes dissolving the black heads. The rub is done with a terry wash cloth and rubbed hard enough to hurt a little. This cleans all pores out very well and disinfects. Be aware that to clean out your pores (by alc rub, water soap and brush in shower, etc), you need HEAT. That means a WARM room for alc rub, or hot water for shower, brush, soap routine. The heat will open your pores, which allows the terry wash cloth and alc, or brush bristles and soap to get inside the pores and clean them. If your body is cold, the pores will be closed and you can't clean them. 4) As soon as you get out of the hot shower, into your hot room (I crank heat up to 90 degrees in my entire place 20 minutes before staring shower), then take a terry towel and towel off as usual first, then scrub your face dry with some force, then scrub your back with towel as hard as you can to clean out pores. That towel is now contaminated and cannot be used again until washed. 5) Also, change your sheets and pillow case once a week for clean ones, and wash bedding weekly if you have time, or monthly at least. Weekly is better. You don't want your bedding spreading and reintroducing bacteria that you scrubbed off earlier. Spray your chairs with either alcohol or Fabreeze once a week for a while, then once this is under control, once a month. That prevents chairs from spreading acne. 6) Drink more water. It helps flush out oils from your system better, I've heard. I don't know why, but it really does help reduce black heads. All the above applies to face and back and anywhere you get zits. Except armpits or privates. If you ever get a zit in those places, do not put alcohol on it, unless you like intense burning pain. For those areas, sun is best. Not trying to turn you into a nudist, but it's true. You can tan nudey at a tanning salon in privacy. 7) Never wear the same shirt two days in a row, not even if it still smells clean. The above does work. My mom and I figured the above out years ago and I swear it works very well.

Let us know if it helps.

My dad never got migranes when young. They started in his mid 20s after being in a 70+ mph pickup truck rollover wreck in the 1960s. The cab of the truck was fully caved in, except for a round head size bubble where his head had been. The state patrol were amazed that he was alive because it appeared that a substantial portion of the pickup's weight had pounded on his head crushing his skull between truck and pavement. That's what my mom says about it. I wasn't born yet. His skull was fractured and he still has a deep large X shaped depression on top of his head (luckily he has more hair than I do), but he recovered with no apparent brain damage and went on to become a successful real estate developer and investor. So he has his brains and he is very intelligent, but he had migranes ever after that, until the Melatonin. My sister on the other hand, had them since childhood. I know the Melatonin is helping her, but I don't know how much. I never asked her. My dad swears by it. However, it's possible his situation is different than yours, considering his medical history of skull fracture seeming to start the headaches.

High on what? Knock that stuff off and work on school. I can barely type that through the rainbows I'm seeing (BP med).

P.Dragon, you are so up sometimes and so confident. Othertimes you are so down and psyched out with zero confidence. It's like you are to different people. Have you ever had a psych doctor check you for manic depression? Bi-polar? I'm concerned about you. I'm your friend P.Dragon. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm really seriously asking. Just a thought because you have two very distinct and opposite personalities. You have your can do attitude I've seen in other threads that I love so much, and your can't do attitude you are showing in this thread, which as SlightlyBent pointed out, the can't do attitude is not attractive to anyone. A can do attitude is girl attractant. A can't do attitude is girl repellent. Well, time for me to stop here. My blood pressure med is making me see multi-colored psychadelic, pulsating looking rainbow colors on the white screen that I know aren't really there. Some people enjoy this type thing from drugs? I hate it. However, this med works well for me otherwise and I only see colors when tired late at night. I think fine though. Time to quit now. Night.

Well said.

Or maybe he's isolated. You can't make friends if no one else is around, no matter how charming you are.

My dad used to have all the expensive prescription meds and still got a headache once a week, but not as bad due to prescription meds. About once a month he had to go to emergency room for some really powerful narcotic shot. My mom, sister, and myself used to take turns bringing him to ER and staying there for hours. It's been about 2 years since I've had to bring him to ER. He says he now only gets about one headache per year and it's not severe like before. So no more need to go to ER. Nice for all of us. This improvement and he no longer needs any prescription meds, and the Melatonin has no side effects (he claims) while the prescriptions did. I have heard that Melatonin can cause sleep disorders like sleeping in day and awake at night, but my dads says it's OK if you only take just prior to regular night time bedtime and keep a consistant bedtime as much as possible. I've also heard that Melatonin can mess you up if you take to much. My dad says 3 mg is not to much and cured his life long headache problems. So there you go. I hope it helps you as much as it has helped my dad and sister.

OK Jen, I think I may have a solution for you, and it's cheap too. I do not have migranes, but my father and sister did. My father saw a supposed treatment-cure on the news a couple years ago. He tried it and it's been working very well for 2 years. So well that he no longer needs prescription meds for headaches. He no longer gets headaches. Well only once a year now. I asked my father about it on your behalf. Go to health food store. Buy Melatonin. Take one 3 mg pill before bed with a glass of water. It's fine on empty stomach as he takes it. Might be OK with full stomach, not sure. He said that you must take the pill just before bed. Never during the day because that would make you very groggy during day and then not able to sleep at night. So only take one pill just before bed. If this works as well for you as it has for him, then you'll be cured for very little money cost. Even if it doesn't work as well as for him, it might still help you somewhat. He claims no negative side effects at all for himself. He just got my sister doing same and so far so good for her.

Between this thread and your other thread I won't name here, I could list for you women who'd like to be your friend, and probably a few men too. Open your eyes and read the signs. Every where there's signs, signs, everywhere signs... Sing it... Read them... Act on them... Send them a PM... I can see who wants to be your friend just from their posts. So why can't you see it? Cause you aren't paying attention I guess. Suck it up, find your can do attitude and figure out who those people are and PM them. This thread and your famous-infamous thread clearly show who likes you. Having friends requires some effort. Get to work buddy. Same with your local area and making and maintaining friends. Get out there, be around people, be outgoing, and read the signs. Then act on them.

Hey, I resent that. You're hurting my feelings. I'm your friend. I'll bet your other friends resent that too. Why do you hurt us? I know you must have some friends at E. There's many women here who like you. Aren't you friends with them yet? If not, why not? Where's your can do attitude? If you don't have enough friends, then make some more. That should be easy for an entertaining, funny cool guy like you. Also, others gave good advice in this thread. So use it.