Whats the point of Pornography!?

[Cometcrater]

OMG!!! Cometcrater i cant believe you're only 14 you sound SO mature...lol

You sure gonna make some woman VERY happy one day.

 

 

I HAVE A BOYFRIEND THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not a lezibian.

[Cometcrater]

somebloke and hellfrost666, you shouldnt worry about me being so young. My sister is 9 years older than me and my brother is 7 years older. So I've had to mature more quickly, than my classmates do, just to understand the conversations at the dinner table.

 

Oh, and if u eat onions it helps with "getting in the mood" I guess you could

[Weary]

My two cents...

 

Regarding women being degraded by porn. I am of the mind that the media, the weight loss/diet industry and the fashion industry (to name a few)are far more detrimental to women than porn ever could be. Why? Porn is put out there and very open about the fact that their product is a fantasy. Whereas the other industries are very persuasive, by giving the general populus ideas/images/beliefs about what women should be. They should be beautiful, thin, perfect etc and will stop at nothing to not only create that insecurity in people...but offer their 'solutions' on how to fix the non perfect you.

 

Regarding the adult film industry itself...

 

Yes, there are exceptions...but on a whole these men and women have contracts, get paid, are legal, and create a safe working environment. Imagine if it was not. There would be men/women underground, blackmarketing videos (on all levels) where women would not be safe, not get paid etc. Neither you nor I can change pornography at its root (same as prostitution), thereforeeee you have to change what you can at different layers. There has been and I suspect always will be a market for it. I would much rather porn be legal...so that the women are safe, getting paid, etc rather than the alternative.

 

Regarding unrealistic expectations...

 

Do you not think the romance novels (another huge money maker, targeted solely for women) do not create unrealistic expectations of men? That men need to be fixed, that women are princesses upon their pedestals...demanding to be worshipped and courted....to be shown love. That sex is this wonderful blissful heart-wrenching experience at all times...and one where they cry together and write sonnets of love to each other afterwards? The knight in shining armor isn't an unjust and detrimental ideal to men?

 

Yes, I could go on and on about how porn makes some women feel...insecure, unloved etc. Even though men don't watch porn because they secretly want to do any women on screen...women think that men find porn women attractive...and they watch it because they are attractive. However, to me it seems as though the reason it bothers so many is women is that they cannot stand the thought that their man could find someone attractive other than them.

[musicguy]

Great post!!

[forza2]

I never really got the point of watching porn, but that you see very Hot girls and all...

 

I was offered a job to be a porn star, they told me you just have sex with Hot girls in the positions we tell you to, and say things we tell you to, for $500.00/hr, and some percentage of sold shots, videos, and DVDs. Back then I was ripped, fresh outta high school, but I didn't do it.

 

I was scared of getting Aids, and HIV!

 

But porn I guess is just porn

[doyathink]

Crapola, I don't know if I can post in this thread without coming under attack by a couple of poster who are making it a point to pick apart every one else who posts their POV!

 

OP! I totally agree with you. I think that for most, when they start spending their time and energy viewing porn....at some point it takes their attention away from their partners. Maybe I just have a better imagination then others....but it isn't a need....it's a desire!

 

One thing that I think everyone should question who likes porn...if your a parent...would you like the fact that thousands of men/women were getting their rocks off looking at pictures of your naked daughter?

[forza2]

Crapola, I don't know if I can post in this thread without coming under attack by a couple of poster who are making it a point to pick apart every one else who posts their POV!

 

OP! I totally agree with you. I think that for most, when they start spending their time and energy viewing porn....at some point it takes their attention away from their partners. Maybe I just have a better imagination then others....but it isn't a need....it's a desire!

 

One thing that I think everyone should question who likes porn...if your a parent...would you like the fact that thousands of men/women were getting their rocks off looking at pictures of your naked daughter?

 

WOW, Well said...

[Bethany]

It's a little more complex than that. I take strong issue with the popular premise that porn is mainly a sexual release. Now, I've seen some posts from females on this thread that also say they regularly use porn, so I can't make a blanket statement about the overall reasons people in general use it.

 

But I have seen a lot of comments on various threads that indicate men somehow "need" porn when they don't get "enough" sex. I mean, what exactly is going to happen to them if they don't get to some porn ASAP? Are they going to lose complete control of themselves? And couldn't they use their imagination and come up with a mental fantasy in a pinch?

 

I'm basically questioning the popular reasons I often hear as justification to use porn.

 

Having studied anxiety in great depth, I'm inclinded to think that there is a level of anxiety, an obsessive compulsion attached, and because of this obsessive compulsion these men really do feel that somehow they would lose control. Feeling that way and acting in a predatory fashion, hunting out porn for a perverse self-gratification are two different mindsets and not to be confused, in my opinion.

[Scout]

Yes, there are exceptions...but on a whole these men and women have contracts, get paid, are legal, and create a safe working environment.

 

If you call a significantly increased chance of getting AIDS in your workplace "safe"! By and large, most porn directors in the US prohibit condoms in their films, because viewers don't want to see them. So while porn stars might be required to get tests once a month, testing doesn't prevent AIDS.

[Scout]

Feeling that way and acting in a predatory fashion, hunting out porn for a perverse self-gratification are two different mindsets and not to be confused, in my opinion.

 

I'm afraid you've lost me, I am not clear on what you're trying to say here. It may be that we're simply not interpreting the original quote in question the same way, in which the guy said he'd rather someone get off on porn than be anywhere near his daughters while he's "loaded up on testosterone." I took that to mean he feels porn provides a necessary release to keep men from losing control of themselves. And I'm really not sure how else I could have interpreted that statement.

[Santana The Freak]

i resent the part where your talking about most people are probably watching porn where people are getting gangbanged. do you have scientific proof to back this up? just because a few people watch it, and get off on it, doesn't mean all people do. and its better that they're watching then going out and participating.

 

you know humans are animals? we're just at the top of the food chain. its better for a guy to jerk off to a tape than to run out and hump the first thing. he finds

 

i don't know anyone who wouldn't be cool his g\f getting off 2 3 or 4 times a week.

 

and you're talking about women in porn being degraded, but they willingly do this. they accept it as a job, and a lot of them enjoy it. if they don't see it as degrading and harmful, then why do you? you don't even know them. all they're doing is acting. are you gonna hate all the women who have ever performed a sex scene in a movie, or just porn stars?

[Scout]

i resent the part where your talking about most people are probably watching porn where people are getting gangbanged. do you have scientific proof to back this up?

 

I don't believe I gave an absolute edict on what kind of porn the majority of people are watching, but from articles I've read, and heck, just the covers of tapes I've seen in the adult sections of mainstream video shops, a LOT, not just a little bit of porn is extremely graphic, and well, extreme. But no, I don't have proof of what kind of porn people are watching - but do you have proof that only a few watch extreme stuff?

 

you know humans are animals? we're just at the top of the food chain. its better for a guy to jerk off to a tape than to run out and hump the first thing. he finds

 

I've already stated that I don't buy into this premise - that without porn to get off to, men can't control themselves sexually and will do go out and do something desperate. And I think people who give this as an excuse for why men watch porn aren't doing the gender any favors by perpetuating such a statement. It's 2007. Most men I know really are sick of the stereotype that they are obsessed with sex and need it constantly or else.

 

i don't know anyone who wouldn't be cool his g\f getting off 2 3 or 4 times a week?

 

This is a pretty confident statement. I take it you've already made a scientific poll? Just kidding. You know your friends, I don't.

 

and you're talking about women in porn being degraded, but they willingly do this. they accept it as a job, and a lot of them enjoy it. if they don't see it as degrading and harmful, then why do you? you don't even know them. all they're doing is acting. are you gonna hate all the women who have ever performed a sex scene in a movie, or just porn stars?

 

I just don't understand how you came to the conclusion I'm "hating" on these women based on anything I've posted in this thread. Frankly, I suspect that of the two of us, I actually have far more sympathy for women who have ended up in porn than you do. I've actually read up on this subject, and feel there are psychological reasons behind why they end up in porn, and it makes me feel incredibly sorry for them.

 

These are women who often have come from a traumatic past where they were subjected to sexual abuse. A great deal of porn stars also struggle with drug and drinking problems. What's more, many, many porn stars are actually lesbians in real life, yes, the same women who are "oohing" and "ahhing" as they are having sex with three different men on film.

 

Even Jenna Jameson (who was raped as a teenager) says in her book "How to Make Love Like a Porn Star" that she would never, ever let her daughter go into the porn industry. And that to this day, she can't watch her own sex scenes.

 

Please read link removed who debunks the myth that they "enjoy" their work.

[Scout]

Crapola, I don't know if I can post in this thread without coming under attack by a couple of poster who are making it a point to pick apart every one else who posts their POV!

 

Didn't you get the memo, doyathink? If you have issues against porn, you're insecure, jealous, controlling, and a prude!

[doyathink]

Didn't you get the memo, doyathink? If you have issues against porn, you're insecure, jealous, controlling, and a prude!

 

AHahahaa...Yes, yes I did.

 

Insecure? Yes! I haven't ever had my woman reamed out by 12 men in one day.

Jealous? Yes! I cant handle 12 men in one setting!

Controlling? Yes! I would rather my man use his play toy with me...instead of with his hand!

Prude? Yes! I'm shocked, at the mere sight of a naked peepee.

 

I've seen so many men here leap out at a poster who posts something along the lines that men are such uncontrollable sex hungry creatures.....NOW, we have men who are saying if they don't get release from porn.....they may do something rash!

 

Which is it?

[Bethany]

Didn't you get the memo, doyathink? If you have issues against porn, you're insecure, jealous, controlling, and a prude!

 

AHahahaa...Yes, yes I did.

 

Insecure? Yes! I haven't ever had my woman reamed out by 12 men in one day.

Jealous? Yes! I cant handle 12 men in one setting!

Controlling? Yes! I would rather my man use his play toy with me...instead of with his hand!

Prude? Yes! I'm shocked, at the mere sight of a naked peepee.

 

I've seen so many men here leap out at a poster who posts something along the lines that men are such uncontrollable sex hungry creatures.....NOW, we have men who are saying if they don't get release from porn.....they may do something rash!

 

Which is it?

 

As a secure, non-jealous uncontrollable sex hungry creature who also might do something rash if I don't get a release from porn, I'm tempted to believe that statement.

[Santana The Freak]

its a choice. you have your opinion, i have mine. not everybody in the porn industry hates doing it, just like not everybody likes it. of course if you want to you can go out there and find a story about a former porn star who saw all these horrible things and felt so degraded. just as you can go out there and find a story about someone who loved it and went wild and crazy. people are different.

 

i never said men may do something rash if they didn't have porn. it's a quick release, something to do when you when you get bored or horny and no one else is around. me and the guy im with watch it and laugh, because we just think its funny.

[Santana The Freak]

but these people who do porn, its not like someone has a gun to their heads and says do this for money or die. its a choice they make, and as such they should be accountable for it.

[EvaGina]

If you call a significantly increased chance of getting AIDS in your workplace "safe"! By and large, most porn directors in the US prohibit condoms in their films, because viewers don't want to see them. So while porn stars might be required to get tests once a month, testing doesn't prevent AIDS.

 

I suggest you do research (throu reputable sources) before making such accusations.

People in the sex industry are three times LESS likely to contract STI's.

(I am NOT inculding amature in this statistic)

 

PEOPLE if your partner is going to think about other people in sexual situations, he is going to do it with or without porn.

YES, is can be destructive, but no more than junk food or xbox.

 

The extreme sides in this argument are ridiculous. Porn is neither evil, nor is it a godsend, its just as valid as any other profession or industry out there, whether you utilise it or not is YOUR choice.

[musicguy]

my Xbox is self destructive to me...dang it!!

[Scout]

I suggest you do research (throu reputable sources) before making such accusations.

People in the sex industry are three times LESS likely to contract STI's.

(I am NOT inculding amature in this statistic)

 

Eva, my observation is based on plain common sense. Again, a) most porn movies do not feature the use of condoms, and b) abstinence and condoms are the two best ways to prevent AIDS and STDs.

 

If you have reliable research that proves against my observation these people are at an increased risk of catching AIDs and other STDs, I'd love to see it. I would also like to hear how being a porn star actually reduces one's chance at getting STDs and AIDS?? If you're going to say through testing, again, testing does not prevent either.

 

And I also said if you work in the porn industry, you have an increased chance of getting AIDs. Again, that is a common sense observation, because of actors engaging on a regular basis in one of the primary ways of getting AIDS - having unprotected sex! Anytime you are having unprotected sex with numerous partners, you are increasing your chance of contracting AIDs and STDs...I just don't see how you could actually refute something like that.

 

The extreme sides in this argument are ridiculous. Porn is neither evil, nor is it a godsend, its just as valid as any other profession or industry out there, whether you utilise it or not is YOUR choice.

 

If you consider porn such a valid "profession," let me ask you this: would you approve if your daughter (if you had one) was a porn star? In fact, would you encourage her to be one?

 

And just as an FYI, when people take opposing views to your's, that doesn't mean those views are extreme. Nor is a view always extreme if it doesn't happen to be located in the ambivelant middle ground.

[musicguy]

Actually, a former porn star has set up a hospital for upcoming porn stars and current porn stars to check for STD's and AIDS, being that she used to be a porn star in the 80's she knows the risks that porn stars take and this hospital takes drastic measures to make sure that everyone is "playing" safe.

 

As for condom use, there are porn stars who choose to wear condoms while in their scenes. But people who have sex should know to wear a condom anyway.

 

Profession wise, I hear from a report that in 2006 the porn industry made around 25 billion dollars (don't know if those figures are accurate) but like strippers, and prostitutes, these women choose to be in the adult industry.

 

If my future daughter were to be thinking about being in the adult industry, I would be disappointed, but since she would be an adult, hopefully she would make rational decisions on her own.

 

There actually is a porn star right now who's parents know what she is doing and are very supportive of her career, they actually helped her to get into the business.

 

There's gonna be A LOT of debate regarding porn and porn in relationships for a very long time. Whether you are for or against pornography, it's going to be out there whether people like it or not, it's just part of what's in our society today.

[Scout]

There's gonna be A LOT of debate regarding porn and porn in relationships for a very long time. Whether you are for or against pornography, it's going to be out there whether people like it or not, it's just part of what's in our society today.

 

Yes, some form or another of porn has been around for eons, and probably always will be. Which means the debates against or for porn will likely be around forever, too.

[EvaGina]

Eva, my observation is based on plain common sense. Again, a) most porn movies do not feature the use of condoms, and b) abstinence and condoms are the two best ways to prevent AIDS and STDs.

Yes, but they dont involve any statistics. Ill ferret something up later (when Im not at work) but musicguy is right, a retired porn star changed the way the porn industry is controlled. They are all tested and seeing as they only tend to sleep with eachother, in their own circles, there isnt much chance of catching AIDS.

 

If you have reliable research that proves against my observation these people are at an increased risk of catching AIDs and other STDs, I'd love to see it. I would also like to hear how being a porn star actually reduces one's chance at getting STDs and AIDS?? If you're going to say through testing, again, testing does not prevent either.

It reduces it becuase their livelihood depends on it. STIs are most common in late teen/early 20's girls. The common people dont test/use contraception as much as they should.

 

And I also said if you work in the porn industry, you have an increased chance of getting AIDs. Again, that is a common sense observation, because of actors engaging on a regular basis in one of the primary ways of getting AIDS - having unprotected sex! Anytime you are having unprotected sex with numerous partners, you are increasing your chance of contracting AIDs and STDs...I just don't see how you could actually refute something like that.

becuase its not true.

Its completely naive to base your "facts" from your imagination.

Fair enough, if you dont want to utilise it, then dont, but there is not point entering into debate about what goes on in the industry when you dont know anything about it.

 

If you consider porn such a valid "profession," let me ask you this: would you approve if your daughter (if you had one) was a porn star? In fact, would you encourage her to be one?

 

And just as an FYI, when people take opposing views to your's, that doesn't mean those views are extreme. Nor is a view always extreme if it doesn't happen to be located in the ambivelant middle ground.

I would encourage my daughter to do whatever she wanted (once she was of age, of course) whether or not I agree with it. As long as she is properly informed, isnt pressured and genuinly wants to do it for herself, then yes, I would support her. But that goes for any industry, I would do the same if she wanted to be in IT or be a tattoo artist.

 

FYI I was reffering to both sides of the argument. I agree with points from both you and the others, but you are saying "its evil, its all evil" while most people seem to be saying "if you dont like it, dont watch it, yes, there are problems with it, but in general its just a personal choice".

 

You seem to be trying to to make arguments that are completely baseless and are extreme. I use porn every now and then... Im not addicted... Macca has porn under his bed... hes not addicted... We arent crack addicts, we dont beat women, we have a healthy, mutually satisfying and giving sex life and we are kind to eachother.

 

My using porn has absolutely NO impact on you or anyone else that chooses not to... so I dont see why you are getting your knickers in such a twist.

[Scout]

Yes, but they dont involve any statistics.

Well, the porn industry isn't a regulated one, so reliable statistics aren't available. But, gee...do we really need a scientific study to understand that when you have sex with hundreds of people a year for a living, who in turn are having sex with hundreds of other people, and you rarely use a condom, you are at an increased risk of getting an STD? I mean, if it turns out this isn't the case after all, then I guess we can just go ahead and dispense with a good deal of sex education in the schools.

 

At any rate, you haven't provided any sources for your claim that porn actors are three times less likely to get STDs than others. Where are they?

 

FYI I was reffering to both sides of the argument. I agree with points from both you and the others, but you are saying "its evil, its all evil" while most people seem to be saying "if you dont like it, dont watch it, yes, there are problems with it, but in general its just a personal choice".

 

Ok, just for future reference...it is possible to exchange differing viewpoints without resorting to putting words in the other party's mouth they never said or remotely implied. Eva, please look back over this thread. Some people have given their reasons why they use porn, and approve of the porn industry. Others, like myself, have given opposing viewpoints. At no time did I ever hysterically call porn "evil, all evil."

 

I questioned a few key pro-porn beliefs: That it's mostly used as a "sexual release." That without porn, men will lose control of themselves sexually. And that the porn industry offers a regulated, safe workplace.

 

My using porn has absolutely NO impact on you or anyone else that chooses not to... so I dont see why you are getting your knickers in such a twist.

 

Actually, you're the one getting rather heated and emotional. Unlike you, I haven't resorted to telling people their opinions are extreme and based on their imagination. I've tried to logically explain my viewpoints, instead of just asserting them and telling others they are wrong.

[EvaGina]

Please understand (for the millionth time) that I am NOT reffering to amature porn with my comments.

Well, the porn industry isn't a regulated one, so reliable statistics aren't available. But, gee...do we really need a scientific study to understand that when you have sex with hundreds of people a year for a living, who in turn are having sex with hundreds of other people, and you rarely use a condom, you are at an increased risk of getting an STD? I mean, if it turns out this isn't the case after all, then I guess we can just go ahead and dispense with a good deal of sex education in the schools.

 

At any rate, you haven't provided any sources for your claim that porn actors are three times less likely to get STDs than others. Where are they?

Okay, neglect to read what I wrote in my last post

 

 

Ok, just for future reference...it is possible to exchange differing viewpoints without resorting to putting words in the other party's mouth they never said or remotely implied. Eva, please look back over this thread. Some people have given their reasons why they use porn, and approve of the porn industry. Others, like myself, have given opposing viewpoints. At no time did I ever hysterically call porn "evil, all evil."

You are rejecting perfectly legitimate reasons to use porn, for nothing more than your own aversion.

You are telling me all of your possesions are made by people earning good wages, and are from renewable scorces? That you never eat any product that had used animal products in its preparation? Our eithics may conflict, yes. Im not saying that you arent entitles to your morals, but you cannot debate morals, its moot.

 

I questioned a few key pro-porn beliefs: That it's mostly used as a "sexual release." That without porn, men will lose control of themselves sexually. And that the porn industry offers a regulated, safe workplace.

No, I think that is BS as well, with the lose control thing.

But it IS a safe, regulated workplace, just as much as any other industry. More people are harmed in carpentery and in the army...

 

 

Actually, you're the one getting rather heated and emotional. Unlike you, I haven't resorted to telling people their opinions are extreme and based on their imagination. I've tried to logically explain my viewpoints, instead of just asserting them and telling others they are wrong.

Im not getting emotional, but sarcastic. I take a rather bitter view on people trying to tell others they aren wrong when their desires dont harm others.

I find it akin to people forcing religion on me.

And I am talking about getting your knickers in a twist about the industry in general. It has nothing to do with you and it harms a MINUTE percentage (far less than fast food or sporting) so there isnt really an issue.

YOU dont like it... and...? dont watch it, problem solved.