Did she really just lose feelings ?

[Clemence]

Hello everyone, 

I (F, 19) was in a relationship for 9 months with my bestfriend (F, 19), it was both our first relationship and we’d been friends for a quite long time. It’s been nearly 4 months, and I can’t seem to accept the reasons why it ended, I’m hopelessly believing it’s not that simple, even though it doesn’t change anything in the end. 

So, for starters, her parents are homophobic, for them, same sex love doesn’t exist, her dad literally ignores her since she came out to them, and her mother’s not that much better, the kind that makes subtle reflections to show that it’s not normal to be like that. Plus, they’re not the affectionate type either, not the loving parents you would hope for. My ex herself had a hard time processing liking someone, plus this someone being me, a woman. Throughout our relation she expressed it a few times, since you know I personally have known for long my life would be with a girl, it was very new to her, thus much more complicated to balance.

Anyway, she had been having a crush on me for a quite long period of time, I developped one on my own later on, and well, she wanted to try, I wanted to try, so we did.

For the first 6 and half months I’d say, everything was going super well. I guess that’s what we can call the honeymoon stage, everything is so intense, you want to see each other all the time, the intimacy is growing fast, emotionally and physically, reality has yet to strike. Of course there were some easily solvable issues here and there, but either way, everything was perfect. 

We went on holidays together, at the end of August, it was super cool. Then, at the beginning of september, we went to a birthday party of one of her closest friends. There, we didn’t know anyone, majority of the guests were very cool girls, I chatted with one who I discovered was almost in the same studies as mine, we’ll name her E. From what I learned later on, another girl who was present developed a crush on me, but I didn’t know at the time, and it doesn’t change anything, I loved and still love my ex. Just after the birthday, my ex went on a trip with her parents for 2 weeks. During this trip, I didn’t notice it until well after the breakup, but she started to change, though it was very very subtle. It’s like she was slightly distant, a little bit less affectionate, her messages were a little bit shorter, maybe more dry. But it was so subtle I hadn’t noticed it at the time. She told me during the trip, that being with her parents triggered her internalized homophobia, you know, they would say well if you have doubts that’s because you know it doesn’t really exist and you surround yourself with people with your point of view to “reassure” yourself. I don’t know what happened in her head during that trip, maybe it’s not related to her parents, maybe it’s just hazard, but yeah, it was kind of a turning point, that would only get worse from here.

She came back, and the energy wasn’t the same. I was excited for her to return, we had planned to see each other before uni would start, but even then I sensed a bit less of enthusiasm. I would be like “ohh what do you want to do”, and she would be more like “aah I don’t know we’ll see, let me arrive, plus I’ll surely be lazy to go out.” I didn’t think much of it, we saw each other, and it was like there was a small distance between us, like we needed a warmup to connect, I don’t know how to explain. But we ended up breaking it, and having a really great afternoon, like nothing had changed. 

I really can’t explain it, it was as if she was slightly colder in general, but sometimes hot then more cold, for example, towards the end of september, there was an event where I wasn’t sure to go, I changed my mind because well why not, plus I would be able to sleep next to my girlfriend, but when I told her I changed my mind she was like “ah what you’re coming ? I thought you weren’t”, I mean, she didn’t seem happy I’d come. But again, we ended up having a great time, she was affectionate, we slept along each other and the next morning, similarly nothing to deplore, our quality time was unphased. She would still be flirty, but yeah idk, different.

Since her trip with her parents, and during the whole month of September, it’s like she became cold and colder, the more the days passed, but also the more jealous she would be. It appears obvious to me that the birthday triggered everything, she would compare herself to me stating « ah you’re so cool they all liked you not me», it was nonsense to me, I tried my best to make her see that it’s not bc she didn’t « click » with anyone that it means she’s not cool, and it’s not because 5 girls thought I was a good hang that it even means something. She’s so interesting herself I just couldn’t understand how this would even have a matter, I mean you don’t think you’re cool based on the number of people who think you’re cool right ? Well, she didn’t seem to be convinced. Same kind of thing, she’d be like « ah maybe if I do this people will have a crush on me », again, your beauty isn’t defined by the number of people who thinks you are pretty, I mean it’s flattering ofc, but she’s just beautiful bc she is. She didn’t seem to believe me, again. Also, kinda felt bad and not enough that she would need other people’s attention, when I would be here, loving her and telling here she’s beautiful, but well. To resume, she compared herself to others, to me, her self esteem must have been triggered by this event I believe. She was jealous of E, who she thought was crushing on me (there were no clear signs but I listened to her still, to be sure, plus E was talking to a guy at the time but anyway). I just felt kinda bad, it seemed like she didn’t trust me.
At one point, she reached a peak, she was super cold, distant, hardly messaging me, only to make jokes about “all the girls who want me”, saying it was for fun, when clearly it appeared to me it wasn’t and that’s why I would reassure her and tell her I only love her, only for her to say « oh it was for fun don’t worry ». 

One day, she learned E had be sat next to me in class (all my interactions with E were never initiated by me, I would sometimes see her from afar, she dm’d me about something school related once, and that’s it). If I mentioned her name to my ex (to not have her worrying, I would recount pretty much everything) it was bad bc « you’re always talking about her », but if I didn’t tell her I just said hello to her it would also be bad because I was lying, then suspicious so yeah. I didn’t know what I should be doing, was afraid of seeing any girl at this point, fearing her reaction. So yeah, E sat next to me one day, and I didn’t tell my ex right away. But god, I should have. 

She goes on to say that she wants to break up, that it’s not working out between us, that being in a couple stresses her out over time, that she can’t see herself in the future and that it’s unfair to me, who has a more involved and different vision. That her mental state is not right and that the relationship is calling into question her self-confidence when it should be having the opposite effect. That if she wasn’t in the relationship, she shoudn’t have to compare herself to “all the girls who want me”. That a relationship should make you evolve, but she didn’t feel she’d evolved in 7 months, that it affected her badly mentally, when again, it should have a positive effect on your mental. And that I deserved better too, blah, blah, blah that I had lots of possibilities and also that she wanted to send me messages all the time but like she had a blockage, she felt obliged to answer because of the couple status or something like that. I feel it was all really emotional driven, like she wanted to escape this spiral of negative emotions that had been building. 

Well, at the time, I was in deep, I didn’t have enough perspective, I kind of did and said everything I could to change her mind, I realise now I clearly shoudn’t have done that, but well, I didn’t want us to be over. I had been right to think her jealousy jokes were serious, I made tons of love declarations, but she was stuck on this « yeah you tell me that but you know I won’t believe it, it’s a self esteem issue » « I’m the problem not you, I’m the problem so it can’t be solved”. Well, I believe the opposite, it’s like she thought an individual couldn’t change, when being in a relationship shows you your fears, insecurities, so that you can work on it you know. It was like, “nah I’m like this, I can’t change, take it or leave it”, which I think is not a good way of thinking. I was the one convincing her she was good enough. I can realise now she had such high expectations of what a relationship should bring you, it should restore your self confidence, affect you good mentally, it should be kind of easy not need too many efforts, it should make you grow (of course it can, only if YOU are willing to and are open to it), almost as it should solve all your problems and make everything in your life better. I mean, it surely can, but it’s not the main point of it. 

Anyway, the following day she had kind of changed her mind, said but no yeah of course we have to try and solve the issues, I’m not saying I want to break up or that I want to do it now. Well, I think she really contradicted herself, I mean what she cited were clearly reasons to break up, but okay. We saw each other irl, she was, apathetic, only reconnected when she realised she would have me out of her life if we broke up (bc I personally prefer not to stay friends, for my own sanity). She recognized the jealousy was internal of her, but I don’t think she understood the concept of a healthy relationship making you face your own trauma, because she still, to this day, blames the relation for encroaching on who she was, when in reality, with or without the relation, the problem is still there, but it’s maybe a less more triggered. Anyway, she said she’d make an effort, because to be honest the jokes were even becoming hurtful, I felt like she didn’t trust me, accused me of several things, when I had always been constant. Spoiler: the jokes continued lol, I even began to believe I was the problem, I would recount all my interactions with anyone so that she wouldn’t worry. She even said “don’t you think your life would be cooler if we broke up, you could have all the attention of others, and one less mental burden” plus “we already talked so much as mates, it wouldn’t change a lot to become friends again” I of course disagreed, but should have worried about the ease with which she could switch to being friends, just like that. But we decided to stay together, well she suggested we try a month and see. 

After this, we’d try to explain all that deconnection phase, why she would be so distant and feel kind of pressured to answer my texts. She suggested stress, school, internalized homophobia, a combination of factors surely. We also discussed the fact that we didn’t have the same background, I’m lucky to have very supportive and loving parents, where she doesn’t. As for them, homosexuality doesn’t exist, she kinda feels that way too and it makes her question everything, all the time. Plus she mentionned, since not that much had changed between us, between friends and lovers (I mean yeah there’s a physical domain of course, but we were still talking everyday, seeing each other very often), that it reinforced the belief that it wasn’t real. She said she didn’t doubt me as a person, but rather the circumstances. She’s already an anxious person who questions everything a lot, looking for rational reasons to like someone, and even looking for reasons to end it sometimes. But despite all that, I figured she loved me and cared for me, since she had made the decision to stay. 

However, after this almost break-up, things were maybe slightly better than they were where she was totally disconnected, but they just weren’t the same as before all this. I felt a significant drop in enthousiasm. She never said I love you to me again, minus a few exceptions, but I always felt like it was forced. She was less affectionate, would reject all my love, would react diffenretly to things, it would even make her uncomfortable at times, but paradoxically she would ask me to do more. Like planning more hangouts, have more physical attentions. I didn’t know what to do, when I would ask her to hangout she always had an excuse, how am I supposed to be physical if I can’t see her ? I bought her some gifts one day, just because, things she would love, but she rejected it, I tried to understand her reasons, but could only deplore she would love my gifts at the beginning of the relation. I was constantly wondering if she loved me, some things would make me believe that yes, but a lot would make me believe no. Sometimes things were like almost like before, she would suggest hanging out, flirt a bit or say something cute, but I knew in my gut something was not right. Unfortunately, I have struggles expressing myself and putting boundaries, and that’s on me, I should have said something, but I let her be, me giving and loving like I had always been. 

It was tiring, to constantly wonder if she loved me. She was still jealous, a proof of love for her, even if we know it isn’t, but we’ll believe it just this time. She insisted, at the end of october, that I go on our ski trip next year, stating “it would be like living together”, how could I resist ? When we would go to parties, it was really strange, during the all thing it’s like I was bothering her, but the minute we were alone she was affectionate, loving, like everything was fine, I could feel it, the love, I know it was still there somewhere, or I want to believe it. 

I asked, one month after the almost breakup, if we could maybe talk, to see where she was at, since the month was now expired, I wanted to know how she felt. She answered something along the lines of “that’s cringe”, and I felt so dumb for even asking that I let it go. I asked her again, 1 week into November, she said she didn’t know, that she had to think about it before answering.

7 November, we celebrate my birthday, she comes to my house, it had been such a long time since she’d came over. It was as if nothing had changed, our complicity was still there, we laughed so much, watched a show together, with her head laying on my chest. We did each other back massages, and spent a great night. The next morning, she held my hand delicately, and kissed me at least 5 times before leaving.

15 November, we studied together at the library, spent an hour laughing while playing a dumb game on my phone. She then suggested to go eat, even if she had to eat tacos after at some friends house. She took my hand on the road, while saying “hey we have to celebrate our nine months”. We had a great time, ended it by an embrace and a frivolous kiss. I had hope things would be alright. Little did I know.

10 days later, she becomes cold and distant again. I ask her what’s wrong, she says nothing. I knew better, the 30th she broke up with me. She felt the same as before, not evolved, stressed about the status, that it didn’t suit her, that we weren’t a good match, that we made efforts and tried but that there shouldn’t be so much to do. I said that in itself it was logical for her to feel like she did 2 months before, since nothing had really been done to improve things, and she replied that it was “proof”. 

She didn’t see a future with me, that our friendship was stronger than our romantic period. I thought the reasons were a bit vague, or I didn’t understand them correctly. She absolutely wanted to stay friends, said I was her favorite person, that she loved me very much, I said it would take time for my feelings to leave, she said hers would too.

Then a week later, I asked more questions about the breakup, and she told me that her feelings had changed, that she was attached to me but wasn’t sure if it was 100% romantic, that she loved me but not in that way, well she doesn’t know, that if she had doubts then she wasn’t in love. In short, that she had loved me but not anymore. She felt guilty for not feeling the same things, she wasn’t forcing herself into the relationship but she felt bad for not being the way she should be. Why had she told me that her feelings would take time to leave, if they were already gone? Pity maybe

To resume, she had a crush on me for so long, fell in love with me earlier than me surely, I fell harder, developped deep feelings, while hers stayed on the superficial level, that’s what I understand. She said, I’m just not the right person, the one. But you know, I’m not satisfied with this explanation, my brain is trying to fill the blanks with everything it can. If her feelings began to change early september, why does it paralell with the jealousy rising, that proves feelings were still there. I’m just wondering, for how long did I live a lie ? Did she ever really loved me ? I mean true love, the one you choose. 

I know in the end nothing really matters, what’s done is done, I should just take away what I can to learn, and I’m doing it. But I can’t help but think it can’t be summed up at just, well, I was in love, then I wasn’t, I can’t control my feelings. Objectively speaking, it’s surely a combination of a lot of things, I can totally understand the relationship was making her feel negative things, I just think she put the blame on me for everything, when it wasn’t entirely. Plus she seems to be a classic avoidant, plus the internalized homophobie, the pressure from her parents, I guess we were doomed from the start.  

What do you think, am I crazy to believe it’s much more complex than this, I know I’m delusional, but am I that bad ?
Thank you so much in advance

[Wiseman2]

58 minutes ago, Clemence said:

, her parents are homophobic, for them, same sex love doesn’t exist, her dad literally ignores her since she came out to them, Since her trip with her parents, , it’s like she became cold and colder, She didn’t see a future with me, that our friendship was stronger than our romantic period

Sorry this is happening. It seems like she doesn't have much support at home about her sexuality. This could definitely stress her out to the point of ending the relationship. 

[Coily]

At 19 there is a lot of figuring out who you are, it sounds like this is heavily what she is dealing with. Where you know your position in life, he's may not be so clear between her parents, and other things that she is self evaluating.

Ultimately, you will never have any satisfactory answers. That's just one of the crap things about life. It's easy to blame her parents, but something happened on that trip that changed her mind about where she was in life. Best to give her space and let her figure her life out.

Sometimes people do 180s on us and we will never know why.

[catfeeder]

My heart goes out to you. Adolescence is a life stage most people believe ends at age 18 or so, but it actually lasts through mid-20's. The brain is rapidly completing its development during this time, and lots of people experience a sense of instability with regard to who they are and who they will become.

Your ex may be struggling with building a solid sense of self. Some people can pull this off at a young age, especially with good parental support, while others need to contend with feeling out of place everywhere, especially given parental resistance or rejection of who one is trying to become.

Few young couples can outlast the changes that often happen during this stage of life. Add to that, ex's hyper-traditional parents, who reject her identity, had two solid weeks of intensive influence over her. My guess is, she's been shaken up by the experience and may be questioning everything about herself right now.

[Clemence]

On 3/1/2024 at 9:47 AM, catfeeder said:

My heart goes out to you. Adolescence is a life stage most people believe ends at age 18 or so, but it actually lasts through mid-20's. The brain is rapidly completing its development during this time, and lots of people experience a sense of instability with regard to who they are and who they will become.

Your ex may be struggling with building a solid sense of self. Some people can pull this off at a young age, especially with good parental support, while others need to contend with feeling out of place everywhere, especially given parental resistance or rejection of who one is trying to become.

Few young couples can outlast the changes that often happen during this stage of life. Add to that, ex's hyper-traditional parents, who reject her identity, had two solid weeks of intensive influence over her. My guess is, she's been shaken up by the experience and may be questioning everything about herself right now.

Hey, thanks a lot for your comment ! I can totally understand how awfully complicated our relationship could have been for her. I even began to feel guilty at one point, at the end of the day, it was my fault if her parents were throwing comments at her after all. I’m doubting now, because she told me she didn’t have any troubles accepting her attraction to women, if it was the case she wouldn’t have been with me in the first place. Maybe I’m reading it all wrong. I guess to figure out her life, she must need to explore other things. It just saddens me sometimes, why couldn’t I be what she wanted, she’ll find a guy, and not face half of the problems we had. I hope she’ll be happy for sure, but I’m just so regretful, we had so many other things to live. I would have loved to be by her side, to help her figure things out, learn more about herself, learn to love herself, I don’t know. I can’t help but hope she’ll come back, even when I know she won’t, and that it’s best to not take her back if it happens. Thank you ! 

[Clemence]

On 2/28/2024 at 9:27 PM, Coily said:

At 19 there is a lot of figuring out who you are, it sounds like this is heavily what she is dealing with. Where you know your position in life, he's may not be so clear between her parents, and other things that she is self evaluating.

Ultimately, you will never have any satisfactory answers. That's just one of the crap things about life. It's easy to blame her parents, but something happened on that trip that changed her mind about where she was in life. Best to give her space and let her figure her life out.

Sometimes people do 180s on us and we will never know why.

Hey, thank you for your comment ! Well, when I even just mentioned she had begun to change during her trip with her parents, she instantly said « yeah you can blame them if you want lol », meaning they apparently don’t have anything to do with it. A lot of the things she says are so contradictory. Saying she lost feelings early in september, when also beginning to be jealous, meaning there were still some feelings left here, even if it’s not a good way of showing it. Maybe they just vanished during november, but well, as you said, I’ll never know. I guess I can’t help her now, I’m not involved anymore :(. 

[Batya33]

18 minutes ago, Clemence said:

Hey, thank you for your comment ! Well, when I even just mentioned she had begun to change during her trip with her parents, she instantly said « yeah you can blame them if you want lol », meaning they apparently don’t have anything to do with it. A lot of the things she says are so contradictory. Saying she lost feelings early in september, when also beginning to be jealous, meaning there were still some feelings left here, even if it’s not a good way of showing it. Maybe they just vanished during november, but well, as you said, I’ll never know. I guess I can’t help her now, I’m not involved anymore :(. 

You don't just lose feelings in that way unless it's in reaction to a situation that broke trust or similar  -and if you do - like you feel bored or ho hum - and you have a solid foundation very often you can revive the spark.  If you want to.  Loving feelings or caring feelings and attraction are essential for a romantic relationship but we're not just passive participants reacting to "losing feelings." Just something to consider for next time.

[catfeeder]

2 hours ago, Clemence said:

Hey, thank you for your comment ! Well, when I even just mentioned she had begun to change during her trip with her parents, she instantly said « yeah you can blame them if you want lol », meaning they apparently don’t have anything to do with it. A lot of the things she says are so contradictory. Saying she lost feelings early in september, when also beginning to be jealous, meaning there were still some feelings left here, even if it’s not a good way of showing it. Maybe they just vanished during november, but well, as you said, I’ll never know. I guess I can’t help her now, I’m not involved anymore :(. 

Often when one protests, it’s because someone has hit the spot, and it may be unexamined territory.

My parents split up long before it was a relatively common practice. I became a teen who ‘acted out,’ yet when someone tried to help me by raising my broken home, I was particularly defensive about that.

It wasn’t until I had grown into some skills of self examination that I recognized how much my parents had influenced my the most disruptive and troubled times in my earlier years.

I’m not trumpeting a blame-the-parents cop-out for owning our behaviors, but I also recognize what I put my exes through during my late teens and 20’s. I was no picnic, yet there was nothing any of them could have done to help me.

[Clemence]

4 hours ago, Batya33 said:

You don't just lose feelings in that way unless it's in reaction to a situation that broke trust or similar  -and if you do - like you feel bored or ho hum - and you have a solid foundation very often you can revive the spark.  If you want to.  Loving feelings or caring feelings and attraction are essential for a romantic relationship but we're not just passive participants reacting to "losing feelings." Just something to consider for next time.

4 hours ago, Batya33 said:

You don't just lose feelings in that way unless it's in reaction to a situation that broke trust or similar  -and if you do - like you feel bored or ho hum - and you have a solid foundation very often you can revive the spark.  If you want to.  Loving feelings or caring feelings and attraction are essential for a romantic relationship but we're not just passive participants reacting to "losing feelings." Just something to consider for next time.

Thank you for your comment, I’m aware of that of course. It takes work to keep feeding the spark, revive it when it’s fading, I don’t know if did enough, maybe I should have done even more, but it takes two to tango, and I felt kind of alone trying to maintain the ship. Maybe she wasn’t interested in rekindling attraction, feelings, that could be it. 

[Clemence]

1 hour ago, catfeeder said:

Often when one protests, it’s because someone has hit the spot, and it may be unexamined territory.

My parents split up long before it was a relatively common practice. I became a teen who ‘acted out,’ yet when someone tried to help me by raising my broken home, I was particularly defensive about that.

It wasn’t until I had grown into some skills of self examination that I recognized how much my parents had influenced my the most disruptive and troubled times in my earlier years.

I’m not trumpeting a blame-the-parents cop-out for owning our behaviors, but I also recognize what I put my exes through during my late teens and 20’s. I was no picnic, yet there was nothing any of them could have done to help me.

Hey, I’m sorry to read you had to live this experience, but very glad that you learned how it affected you and could work through that ! Sometimes we surely can underestimate the patterns our home situation can give us, I think she’s aware hers have a certain influence on her, but maybe not entirely. The simple fact that they can’t accept her is enough for me to say she deserves better from them, but they are who they are, with the good and bad associated. But you’re right, in those cases, another person can’t really help us, we have to look from within ! 

[Batya33]

1 hour ago, Clemence said:

 

I didn't mean it was something you did -the person who is feeling meh can revive the spark on her own or  talk to her partner about reviving the spark -if it's a strong relationship it's an active thing -loving is giving mostly not a feeling.

[Clemence]

6 hours ago, Batya33 said:

I didn't mean it was something you did -the person who is feeling meh can revive the spark on her own or  talk to her partner about reviving the spark -if it's a strong relationship it's an active thing -loving is giving mostly not a feeling.

Yeah I also believe love’s more of a choice sometimes. But well, you can’t force someone to stay in a relationship they don’t want, I think I at least deserve someone who’ll make effort in return for me, instead of asking me to do more and rejecting everything when I do, still can’t understand that. But you’re totally right in my opinion. She said when she saw she was losing feelings that she’d waited for them to come again, without doing anything, just waiting, of course they would not come back. 

[MissCanuck]

2 hours ago, Clemence said:

instead of asking me to do more and rejecting everything when I do, still can’t understand that.

The simple explanation is because they don't feel what you feel, and don't have the same interest in keeping the relationship afloat. 

[Clemence]

1 hour ago, MissCanuck said:

The simple explanation is because they don't feel what you feel, and don't have the same interest in keeping the relationship afloat. 

Yeah, but then why would she be jealous if she didn’t feel an ounce of romantic attraction towards me, why would she want me to go on holidays with her so that we can practically live together, why would she be so affectionate after being cold, I don’t know I want to believe it was there somewhere

[Batya33]

5 hours ago, Clemence said:

Yeah I also believe love’s more of a choice sometimes. But well, you can’t force someone to stay in a relationship they don’t want, I think I at least deserve someone who’ll make effort in return for me, instead of asking me to do more and rejecting everything when I do, still can’t understand that. But you’re totally right in my opinion. She said when she saw she was losing feelings that she’d waited for them to come again, without doing anything, just waiting, of course they would not come back. 

Yes once she said she was just waiting it was over IMO and I'm sorry.  I don't think love is  choice.  I think loving is giving - loving is not a feeling washing over you for the most part -it can be but the important part of acting on feelings is to give and if you're not feeling love you give anyway if you're committed to the person -if the core of the relationship is strong and based on love and chemistry and caring then you give anyway, and this often inspires loving feelings.  

Obviously close relationships of all kinds that are healthy and caring are reciprocal - without the need to keep sore. I would avoid overthinking in abstractions or extremes.  If someone asks you to do something differently and it makes sense you do it.  It's possible she didn't really know what she wanted you to do differently and was grasping at straws.

I'm sorry it didn't work out..  

[Batya33]

1 hour ago, Clemence said:

Yeah, but then why would she be jealous if she didn’t feel an ounce of romantic attraction towards me, why would she want me to go on holidays with her so that we can practically live together, why would she be so affectionate after being cold, I don’t know I want to believe it was there somewhere

Because she didn't want you and didn't want anyone else to have you either.  She was not attracted and did not feel strongly enough - not strongly enough so at times she was into you at times not -the core commitment was not there on her end.

[Clemence]

43 minutes ago, Batya33 said:

Because she didn't want you and didn't want anyone else to have you either.  She was not attracted and did not feel strongly enough - not strongly enough so at times she was into you at times not -the core commitment was not there on her end.

I gave her multiple occasions to talk to me, where she totally could have been honest and say that she wasn’t feeling it, she didn’t mention it until the break up, that’s a pity. I literally asked her how she felt about the relationship, she said « I don’t know », come on, if you know you don’t have feelings at least say it. I know I felt the love at the enf of october, it was still there, I can swear I saw it in they way she was looking at me, the spark in her eyes. I don’t know what was happening in her head, I wish I’d known, but I’m quite certain she didn’t pretend for 2 months. 

[Batya33]

41 minutes ago, Clemence said:

I gave her multiple occasions to talk to me, where she totally could have been honest and say that she wasn’t feeling it, she didn’t mention it until the break up, that’s a pity. I literally asked her how she felt about the relationship, she said « I don’t know », come on, if you know you don’t have feelings at least say it. I know I felt the love at the enf of october, it was still there, I can swear I saw it in they way she was looking at me, the spark in her eyes. I don’t know what was happening in her head, I wish I’d known, but I’m quite certain she didn’t pretend for 2 months. 

Right. So she might not have known or wanted to deal with it on her own. You would have handled it differently. I’m sorry you’re upset with how she chose to handle it. Perhaps she felt tons of feelings and also didn’t feel good about being in a relationship with you anymore. You likely won’t know. Give yourself closure by taking small steps every day to live your life and move on. Good luck. 
to add. I’ve found that feeling like you have to ask constantly about the relationship is no fun and often indicates issues with the relationship.  If you’re not regularly feeling fine and enjoying and having fun and feel like you need to ask these multiple probing questions it’s not a great sign. 

[Clemence]

58 minutes ago, Batya33 said:

Right. So she might not have known or wanted to deal with it on her own. You would have handled it differently. I’m sorry you’re upset with how she chose to handle it. Perhaps she felt tons of feelings and also didn’t feel good about being in a relationship with you anymore. You likely won’t know. Give yourself closure by taking small steps every day to live your life and move on. Good luck. 
to add. I’ve found that feeling like you have to ask constantly about the relationship is no fun and often indicates issues with the relationship.  If you’re not regularly feeling fine and enjoying and having fun and feel like you need to ask these multiple probing questions it’s not a great sign. 

I was asking her because I was worried, with the things she told me when she first tried to break up, I wanted to know where was her mind at. I wouldn’t want her to keep being with me if she was unhappy, I would have let her go. Well, she also was when she tried to break up, but idk I thought the jealousy would subside, that everything with her parents would idk calm down, that things would be like they were at the beginning, it was naive. How could things improve when she herself didn’t know why she was feeling all the things she was feeling, and wouldn’t really look at why she was feeling this way anyway. She was saying the disconnection was bc of her parents, okay, but would then say well if things don’g improve that means we’re not meant to be ? I mean, you know a potential root of the problem, one that I can’t help you with even if I’d love to, it would have been her responsability I believe.

[Wiseman2]

On 2/28/2024 at 1:53 PM, Clemence said:

. She told me during the trip, that being with her parents triggered her internalized homophobia,  She suggested stress, school, internalized homophobia, a combination of factors surely. 

It seems like the sooner you accept her explanation about her overall confusion, the sooner you will be able to move forward in peace with less anger. Unfortunately the relationship was nebulous from the beginning as well as her confused and conflicted views. She did admit she's the problem. 

[catfeeder]

It doesn’t serve you to split hairs and take measurements to pinpoint the exact temperature of your ex’s feelings at any given time. She was confused enough to break up, withdraw the breakup, then break up again, so she was all over the place. And you already know that there was nothing you could have done about it. So obsessing over timelines is of no value beyond keeping you stuck inside grief, spinning around one goal of measuring something that she, herself, wasn’t even clear about.

I can appreciate that this is a distraction many of us have used to avoid letting go. But it’s not as though holding on will impact the outcome. While I’m not a believer that to heal grief we must bash ourselves out of holding all hope for a reconciliation someday, because I don’t even believe that that’s possible for most. However, I do believe in placing hope on a back burner, where it’s still accessible but out of the way.

From there, a focus on goals, growth and self development can begin their healing powers. Committing to time with loved ones we’ve neglected can ground us and normalize us if we make our focus about giving to them instead of grinding our grief. The road to feeling like our best Self will lead to new perspectives that will answer all questions we actually need to know. Hindsight can’t be reached by spinning in circles.

No ex wants to return to the exact same person, frozen in time, exactly where they left them. Some reconciliations occur in the future when two people have both grown, so use your hope to push you forward toward higher ground. Things will be clearer there.

[Clemence]

5 hours ago, catfeeder said:

It doesn’t serve you to split hairs and take measurements to pinpoint the exact temperature of your ex’s feelings at any given time. She was confused enough to break up, withdraw the breakup, then break up again, so she was all over the place. And you already know that there was nothing you could have done about it. So obsessing over timelines is of no value beyond keeping you stuck inside grief, spinning around one goal of measuring something that she, herself, wasn’t even clear about.

I can appreciate that this is a distraction many of us have used to avoid letting go. But it’s not as though holding on will impact the outcome. While I’m not a believer that to heal grief we must bash ourselves out of holding all hope for a reconciliation someday, because I don’t even believe that that’s possible for most. However, I do believe in placing hope on a back burner, where it’s still accessible but out of the way.

From there, a focus on goals, growth and self development can begin their healing powers. Committing to time with loved ones we’ve neglected can ground us and normalize us if we make our focus about giving to them instead of grinding our grief. The road to feeling like our best Self will lead to new perspectives that will answer all questions we actually need to know. Hindsight can’t be reached by spinning in circles.

No ex wants to return to the exact same person, frozen in time, exactly where they left them. Some reconciliations occur in the future when two people have both grown, so use your hope to push you forward toward higher ground. Things will be clearer there.

Yeah, I think my brain is focusing on what I can’t control, so it spirals and spirals without stopping. I already made some sort of « list » of what lessons I could take from the relationship. My views are much clearer, even if my mind is still clouded with a lot of diverse emotions. Thank you for your advices, I already started a sport journey haha, and I’m considering trying to talk to a psychologist of some sort, my uni has a whole psychological pole, it couldn’t do me any wrong. 

[Tinydance]

Well I'm 39 now but I do remember being nineteen lol I think what the big issue is with relationships when you're a teenager is that it's a time where you actually change a lot. It's a time of self discovery and can be kind of jumping from one thing to another and trying different things. Apparently sexuality can change a lot too or be fluid and things like that.

I remember at 19 I didn't really want what you'd call a serious relationship, I didn't want to be tied down. I loved going out and partying and meeting different people. When I was 14 I realised I liked girls as well as boys and it came as a shock to me as before that I really thought I was straight and never noticed girls at all. My parents were definitely homophobic and not supportive, especially my Dad. I was very scared to come out to them and any romantic interactions I had with girls over time I kept a secret until I was 28 when I had my first real girlfriend. 

I think having the homophobic parents plays a much larger role than you might think. You gotta remember that the person gets brought up with these beliefs and that's very ingrained internal homophobia. It could take her a long time to accept herself and she's just not there yet. So as she told you, it's her who is the problem, not you.

I think in terms of sexuality, it can change and kind of flow. I went through periods of time as a teenager where I thought I was gay but I'm actually not. I realised over time I'm pansexual so I just like all people regardless of their gender. Your ex might still be trying to figure out what her sexuality actually is, you know? It can be very confusing. 

[Clemence]

On 3/8/2024 at 1:32 PM, Tinydance said:

Well I'm 39 now but I do remember being nineteen lol I think what the big issue is with relationships when you're a teenager is that it's a time where you actually change a lot. It's a time of self discovery and can be kind of jumping from one thing to another and trying different things. Apparently sexuality can change a lot too or be fluid and things like that.

I remember at 19 I didn't really want what you'd call a serious relationship, I didn't want to be tied down. I loved going out and partying and meeting different people. When I was 14 I realised I liked girls as well as boys and it came as a shock to me as before that I really thought I was straight and never noticed girls at all. My parents were definitely homophobic and not supportive, especially my Dad. I was very scared to come out to them and any romantic interactions I had with girls over time I kept a secret until I was 28 when I had my first real girlfriend. 

I think having the homophobic parents plays a much larger role than you might think. You gotta remember that the person gets brought up with these beliefs and that's very ingrained internal homophobia. It could take her a long time to accept herself and she's just not there yet. So as she told you, it's her who is the problem, not you.

I think in terms of sexuality, it can change and kind of flow. I went through periods of time as a teenager where I thought I was gay but I'm actually not. I realised over time I'm pansexual so I just like all people regardless of their gender. Your ex might still be trying to figure out what her sexuality actually is, you know? It can be very confusing. 

Hey, thank you for your hindsight ! I’m sorry to read you had to go through that, having non supportive parents, that you had to keep your relationships with girls secret, no one should have to hide who they are and who they are with. 
I totally understand how it could be a big deal, especially as you said, when we are that young. I can’t say I understand what she must have been feeling, battles in her head must have been present I believe. I wish I could still be by her side helping her fighting them all, but it’s a matter between her and herself, and her parents, I tried to be there and supportive but in the end, it’s just engrained in the brain, whether you want it or not. She’s really defensive of her parents though, maybe I’m wrong and they’re not that bad, maybe I’m right but it doesn’t make them bad people, or maybe it’s just, well they’re still your parents, it’s hard to see them objectively when you share that family bond. Thanks again