Punch clocks @ the bathroom starting today!!

[Mythical_Suicide]

Funny thing is when the OP finally get his own "business" he will realize these type of rules/policies will need to be put in place. He doesn't like them right now because he has to follow them but if you are ever so lucky to run your own business - you will see how some of your employees will love to take advantage of you and your company and will appreciate these type of policies.

 

But I gotta say - with the attitude you have, Im not sure anyone will want to work for you or with you. The client/customer is your boss - you need to make them happy or your business will never success.

 

Yep

 

But then he's going to whining and * * * * * ing because irony is going to bite him in the behind because he's going to have the most ungrateful employee's ever

[sidehop]

Wow that's lame.

 

I remember working at Verizon years ago the customer service reps were carrying around a stop watch and one person explained how they are always timed on how long they are gone for breaks, etc so they all carried it around to make sure they are on time.

[MollyElise]

Funny thing is when the OP finally get his own "business" he will realize these type of rules/policies will need to be put in place. He doesn't like them right now because he has to follow them but if you are ever so lucky to run your own business - you will see how some of your employees will love to take advantage of you and your company and will appreciate these type of policies.

 

But I gotta say - with the attitude you have, Im not sure anyone will want to work for you or with you. The client/customer is your boss - you need to make them happy or your business will never success.

 

AC - I disagree, a bad business owner will see how people take advantage of them and then make unfair rules to the rest of the employees because the employer doesn't know how to better deal with the situation. That doesn't mean that the employee is wrong, if they are being badly managed, it is virtually impossible for them to succeed. A good manager would have found a way to deal with this situation without being unfair to the majority of his employees. I think it is degrading to have to punch a clock in & out for the bathroom.

 

It's like saying that a child should be ok with spanking b/c that's the only tool their parent has ever learned to use for discipline.

[MollyElise]

I'll never be saying would you like fries with that. Cause I'll be working for myself, in my own shop. If not I'll just be doing something construction oriented. So I'll always be the boss.

 

LOL... Bob Dylan has a great song...

 

 

You may be an ambassador to England or France,

You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,

You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,

You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock 'n' roll addict prancing on the stage,

You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,

You may be a business man or some high degree thief,

They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,

You may be the head of some big TV network,

You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,

You may be living in another country under another name

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,

You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,

You might own guns and you might even own tanks,

You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,

You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,

You may be workin' in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,

You may be somebody's mistress, may be somebody's heir

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,

Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,

You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,

You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody,

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,

You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,

You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,

You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed

You're gonna have to serve somebody.

Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord

But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

[Ac143]

AC - I disagree, a bad business owner will see how people take advantage of them and then make unfair rules to the rest of the employees because the employer doesn't know how to better deal with the situation. That doesn't mean that the employee is wrong, if they are being badly managed, it is virtually impossible for them to succeed. A good manager would have found a way to deal with this situation without being unfair to the majority of his employees. I think it is degrading to have to punch a clock in & out for the bathroom.

 

It's like saying that a child should be ok with spanking b/c that's the only tool their parent has ever learned to use for discipline.

 

 

Well Molly I guess we can agree to disagree because I believe a good manager does know how to handle his/her employees BUT these rules/policies are set in place so everyone has the same rules. Shows there is no favoritism etc etc because there WILL be that ONE person that "thinks" the manager is letting another person get away with something and not letting the other. There are soooo many different personalities you need to learn and manage when you are a manager/business owner and sometimes these rules need to be in place, only to protect all the employees. Now Im not saying everyone or every company should have their employees clock in and clock out when going to the bathroom. Each work place is different and have different rules.

 

if there were no rules at work, no one would be working. Also, like I said before if the employee is doing nothing wrong then these rules dont bother them because they are good worker regardless and a good manager would and should acknowledge that.

 

I also wanted to add that some places do set ridiculous rules because management doesn't know how else to handle their employees - that's a whole different story and someone in upper management should question this but that's not always the case.

[shikashika]

glegend,

 

You knwo that I agree with you on two points, the bathroom breaks and not being able to leave the property on your breaks, but please lose your attitude. You are 18.

 

Besides, whats wrong with saying 'Do you want fries with that?"

 

Especially at your age, those are the jobs you are supposed to be doing!

[JadedStar]

I agree.

 

And the larger the group one is managing and typically if the group performs routine or repetitive jobs (like phones, factory work, etc) the more the rules have to be strict because in those types of jobs you have more people trying to BREAK the rules to begin with. Smaller family run businesses have the flexibility to be much more lenient as typically there are fewer employees to manage.

 

Glegend's attitude is really appalling but I cna't say it is isolated. It is seen a lot in young workers. I am not trying to diss young people because not all of them are like this. And not all older workers are great. I have hired some young people who are utterly amazing. But far too many have the sense of entitlement that comes with Generation Y. I went to a seminar that explained the work ethics of the different generational groups and they refer to Generation Y as the Trophy Kids becuase they grew up in an era that was full of constant affirmation and rewards even when they didn't win. This group is now entering the workforce and they cannot seem to grasp that there is no special treatment if you don't work hard and no rewards if you are the one who isn't winning.

 

Agian, not ALL young people. I want to make that clear because I know of a good number of them who are amazing and who will be leaders one day. Those are the ones I hire. The rest who like to whine can go apply at McDonalds - and to quote Seinfeld, not that there is anything wrong with that.

[JadedStar]

glegend,

 

You knwo that I agree with you on two points, the bathroom breaks and not being able to leave the property on your breaks, but please lose your attitude. You are 18.

 

Besides, whats wrong with saying 'Do you want fries with that?"

 

Especially at your age, those are the jobs you are supposed to be doing!

 

 

I agree. I don't diss McDonald's because for young employees it teaches them how to face the public, deal with extremely busy schedules and is a great introduction to the workforce. It was my son and daughter's first jobs and it taught them the importance of getting to work on time, how to deal with the irate public and how to work in a busy environment. They were both grateful for that first job too and dind't act like it was beneath them. When I was a teen i lived in a rural area so transportation to the city to be able to work PT at that type of place was not a possibility. I would have LOVED to have worked at a McDonald's for extra cash.

[shikashika]

I agree. I don't diss McDonald's because for young employees it teaches them how to face the public, deal with extremely busy schedules and is a great introduction to the workforce. It was my son and daughter's first jobs and it taught them the importance of getting to work on time, how to deal with the irate public and how to work in a busy environment. They were both grateful for that first job too and dind't act like it was beneath them. When I was a teen i lived in a rural area so transportation to the city to be able to work PT at that type of place was not a possibility. I would have LOVED to have worked at a McDonald's for extra cash.

 

I worked at Wendy's when I was 17... what fun!

 

I think everyone needs to work in the service industry at some point!

[shikashika]

just to add, one thing that irks me more than anything is ANYONE who thinks a job is 'beneath them'!!

 

Even people who have a degree or two, in the workplace, sometimes things happen with your job, sometimes you are on a contract assignment and you pick up extra temp jobs here and there.

[JadedStar]

2858741]just to add, one thing that irks me more than anything is ANYONE who thinks a job is 'beneath them'!!Even people who have a degree or two, in the workplace, sometimes things happen with your job, sometimes you are on a contract assignment and you pick up extra temp jobs here and there.

 

Same here. That is why my eyebrows were raised very high when an 18 year old proclaimed he will ALWAYS be the boss.

 

Times are rough and if i needed to you can bet i'll be waiting tables and being the friendliest wait person i can.

[shikashika]

 

Same here. That is why my eyebrows were raised very high when an 18 year old proclaimed he will ALWAYS be the boss.

 

Times are rough and if i needed to you can bet i'll be waiting tables and being the friendliest wait person i can.

 

Last year, just before Christmas I got an extra part time job twice a week in a cool little bistro, even though it was low pay, tips were good, and a very good crowd to work with, I started to like it better than my 'real' job and miss all the people I worked with there very much.

 

It gave me a load of extra cash, so that i could put an extra 500 a month in savings, and was able to go overboard on my Christamas shopping, and then do some for myself. I admit, I had that fear at the beginning, because I hadn't worked in the service industry for about 9 years, since I was in university. And, part of me worried for a few minutes about working in a restaurant when I had a degree/ good job bla bla bla.. but I'm glad I did it. It also helps because i know that if the poo hits the fan in the current economic climate I'd be happy about working anywhere , whereas I have friends who know they are going to lose their jobs and will just sit on their bums all day, rather than get out and work at a job that is 'beneath' them

[JadedStar]

To be honest i'd almost like to have a wait job in a nice place one night a week just for the interaction. I love interacting with a lot of different people.

[shikashika]

And to add again, sometimes being the boss is not all it cracks up to be! Its not all high and mighty like some people think and sometimes I'd rather be in a position where I DON'T have people reporting to me or in a position where I DON'Thave to take care of people.

[shikashika]

To be honest i'd almost like to have a wait job in a nice place one night a week just for the interaction. I love interacting with a lot of different people.

 

 

That was the best part about it!! I wouldn't want to work at a chain restaurant, this was a funky independent wine bistro, where the severes ranged in age from 23-53. One was a writer, liked to spend his time writing, but this was something extra, another lived in central america for 6 months of the year and did this while he was here, a couple of students, and all sorts of interesting people. The food was great, the wine was divine ( and free!) and I had so much fun socialising with people there.. Honestly, it WAS better than my 'real' job.

 

I had some friends who said things like, "but what will you do someone comes in and sees you?!?!"

 

I just replied, " I give them a free glass of wine, and dessert, just like anyone else I know!"

 

sigh.. I miss it!

[CaptainPlanet]

The problem with this thread is that you've got people with very different perspectives trying to argue a point. I very much doubt the Glegend would be hired to wait tables. Likely they'd just put him in the kitchen. Which would be a waste of time unless you're interested in that sort of thing. I've hardly seen a restaurant or bar staffed by anything but attractive women. There are usually one of two trendy looking blokes but I'd hardly call it an industry with an even spread of workers.

 

Clocking off for toilet breaks is just ridiculous. I don't know what else to say other than it is just awful. This is why we need strong unions.

[shikashika]

The problem with this thread is that you've got people with very different perspectives trying to argue a point. I very much doubt the Glegend would be hired to wait tables. Likely they'd just put him in the kitchen. Which would be a waste of time unless you're interested in that sort of thing. I've hardly seen a restaurant or bar staffed by anything but attractive women. There are usually one of two trendy looking blokes but I'd hardly call it an industry with an even spread of workers.

 

Clocking off for toilet breaks is just ridiculous. I don't know what else to say other than it is just awful. This is why we need strong unions.

 

hey a friend of mine works at a restaurant.. he is balding, has a belly, is 42 and growing a mustache that makes him look like a pervert. He gets great tips because people think he's the owner..

[JeckyllNHyde]

hey a friend of mine works at a restaurant.. he is balding, has a belly, is 42 and growing a mustache that makes him look like a pervert. He gets great tips because people think he's the owner..

 

lmao!

 

yea i agree. trust me Cp, managers want male waiters too.. it depends where u look. i havent seen many male waiters at diners, but at restaurants there are usually half male waiters give or take.

in fact my friend used to work at a jazz club. they WANTED him there not just to carry tables, lol. but also b/c they want male waiters to attract the female clients..

[JadedStar]

Not sure where CP is eating, but i see people of all ages, races, all sexual orientations and both genders waiting tables at the places I go too...and the places I frequent are from upscale all the way down to casual dining. Some are pretty, some average, some not so hot. Some heavy, some thin, some in between...some heavy into piercing, some ultra conservative.

 

 

No fast food tho, they don't have waitstaff anyway tho.

 

It is normally the hostess or host at the restaraunts that are trendy and/ or attractive because 1) that position takes the least amount of experience and 2) most places prefer the hostess be well dressed and put together as they are the first person seen when entering a place.

[CaptainPlanet]

Gen Y have it really rough. Especially in America. We get treated like dirt by employers. Old people will attack us but that is nothing new. The people in control are always mean and nasty to the underlings. That is why we need to group together and stand up to these people.

 

I'm not suggesting Glegend should organize a strike or anything because it wold be ridiculous. I want to offer my support on the issue. As toilet breaks are a basic human requirement, and you can bet those who made the rule will go whenever they want.

 

I just want to emphasize that I think you are a good kid Glegend and what you are experiencing is normal to an extent. Maybe one day when you do own your own business you will remember this and the comments of the people in this thread. Treat your own employees how you would like to be treated, and with the dignity and respect they deserve.

 

You may even notice that you benefit financially from such actions.

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[JadedStar]

Gen Y have it really rough. Especially in America. We get treated like dirt by employers. Old people will attack us but that is nothing new. The people in control are always mean and nasty to the underlings. That is why we need to group together and stand up to these people.

 

I think our parents and our parents' parents had it FAR rougher than we ever have, and I am not even a Gen y'er.

 

The difference between Gen Y and the Baby Boomers is not that the baby boomers ENJOYED rough treatment on the job, they just didn't complain about it.

 

The rough treatment you perceive you may get from aging workers is because many of them are appalled at how good we have it yet many still complain. I can't blame them.

 

I see retired walmart greeters who are victims of failed retirement plans come to work everyday on time and are so cheerful and grateful to have what many would look down on as such menial work. You don't typically see cell phones affixed to their belts either.

[Ac143]

I think our parents and our parents' parents had it FAR rougher than we ever have, and I am not even a Gen y'er.

 

The difference between Gen Y and the Baby Boomers is not that the baby boomers ENJOYED rough treatment on the job, they just didn't complain about it.

 

The rough treatment you perceive you may get from aging workers is because many of them are appalled at how good we have it yet many still complain. I can't blame them.

 

I see retired walmart greeters who are victims of failed retirement plans come to work everyday on time and are so cheerful and grateful to have what many would look down on as such menial work. You don't typically see cell phones affixed to their belts either.

 

 

Very true! The problem with Gen Y is they seem to think that things just need to be given to them (now this isn't everyone with Gen Y) I had a guy come into my office yesterday, this guy is around 22 - just got out of school and started working here about a month ago. He asked me when will he get promoted?? I was like "what???" This kid came in late at least 5 times in that one month, it takes at least 6 months to know everything inside and out in the place I work and he is looking for a promotion already?? Are you kidding me? I worked at this place as an analyst for 1.5yrs then a team lead for 1.5yrs and finally Im a manager here and not once did I ask for a promotion or did I complain about the rules/policies that they had. He was serious too! He also wasn't the first person in the Gen Y to do this, I had this happen a few times already. Whatever happened to working hard for what you get??? I just dont understand it and it really really irks me!

[CaptainPlanet]

You fail to mention his position. You started as an analyst, what is his job title ? If it is far below his qualification levels, I understand him asking for promotions.

 

You can't push people into getting these degrees for the reasons of personal advancement in employment and then get upset with them when they ask about promotions. You've probably hired him as an office assistant. Though if he too has an analyst position he is out of line.

 

Even so I am sick of all these generalisations about gen y coming from middle class professionals who have little idea what the real world is like.

 

This is about a kid being denied toilet breaks at work. I don't care what generation your a from when you gotta go, you gotta go. Plus you are only 28 and you make it sound like you have been there so long. Twenty eight years old and already a manager you are only a few years older than him.

[Mythical_Suicide]

 

This is about a kid being denied toilet breaks at work. I don't care what generation your a from when you gotta go, you gotta go.

 

He isn't being denied, he just has to clock out so he isn't getting paid for his time spent in the bathroom.

[CaptainPlanet]

He isn't being denied, he just has to clock out so he isn't getting paid for his time spent in the bathroom.

 

If my employer brought in that rule I would probably walk out. Don't care that is just plain degrading.