Internal Politics.

[Luke Skywalker]

"sex addicts with boyfriends who wanted a part-time lover though - some underhand stuff there - then another 37 year old Swedish woman - then finally a fat girl that I meet up with, but she was very fat and ugly and couldn't remember names since she slept with so many guys - even making porno pics with herself and some of her guy friends having sex and sending them on my birthday - intended as hardcore porn to turn me on as birthday present, and I thanked her for 'making my birthday')."

 

What!!!!

 

 

You heard me. You can get really funny people on these internet personals, especially with a profile like that. I've fine tuned it yesterday and will be working on a prototype soon. Again, it's only 30 days - I've been burned allot on this internet dating stuff by typing too much or getting hung up on respondents too fast, so this time around I should get better at it in this limited release.

 

It's entertaining to see what types of people respond to certain profiles. Anyway, I will have to make a racist statement - Indian girls have the worst scores in my book and are responsible for any premise of viewing porn in November - and my mom has always warned me about these type of girls, saying Indians can never be trusted. All girls that have given me problems to date have indeed been Indian. White, Black or Asian girls have never given me any problems. An Indian girl (East Indian/West Indian, or background, regardless of origin) will appear to be your girlfriend one day and be a stranger the next or worst.

 

However, in Intimate personals, the race of women that usually respond to a virgin looking to be deflowered are usually White women, or always White women, but they tend to be very loose. This time around, I'll have to see what types of people will respond.

[quietgrl]

Luke,

 

How do you know that the women who reply to your ad are really women.?

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke,

 

How do you know that the women who reply to your ad are really women.?

 

That's a no-brainer. If they were men, I'd likely have meet them. And the stories they wrote in their profile were quite consistent: (i.e. the girl wanting a partime lover who has a boyfriend - sounds convincing like she's a disreputable type of girl), the Sweedish woman got turned off when I sent porn-fantasy messages to her, and I saw the fat woman in person working at a local store. They were all women.

 

If I got them TOO easy, then I'd be woried, but it seems I keep shooting myself on the foot for that to happen and know they are women because of the challenge to meet them. The real question is the woman clean or have STD's, is she married or have a boyfriend, etc.... well, in that case, ANY woman could have a fantasy of deflowering a virgin - you may not know if they are married or not - which makes it a bit dangerous.

[quietgrl]

I've tried your "Deflower a virgin female" ad on Craigslist and all i got was prevert men and men looking for a threesome with their wives/Girlfriends.I love putting up those ads just to see what type of people replies to those ads. I have no interest in meeting none of these bum men. I don't know how you do it luke.

[Luke Skywalker]

I've tried your "Deflower a virgin female" ad on Craigslist and all i got was prevert men and men looking for a threesome with their wives/Girlfriends.I love putting up those ads just to see what type of people replies to those ads. I have no interest in meeting none of these bum men. I don't know how you do it luke.

 

Really? Threesomes with their wives/girlfriends? But, when you frame it that way, a female looking for a deflower, that is only going to attract pervert men, because you are communicating that you just want to get laid by a guy, and as a girl, there should be no problem or challenge finding that on the internet. A relationship guy is not going to respond to an ad like that, or a type of guy that you would like.

 

Hey, but it's fun isn't it - to see what type of responses people would make on negative internet ads? But I've been thinking of re-framing it a bit lately, for example, instead of saying: "virgin 30 y/o guy looking for a deflower.." I may say, "Do you want to be my first-time?". And then go into details about myself as to why I'm not good with girls, like social anxiety and what not, or I dont go to the club/bar scene and just want to try something new -- and act like it's the first time I'm putting an ad up" and see if sex and charity and mix for fun. Maybe phrase it in such a way that women dont believe in me because I dont have any experience and that's why I'm still a virgin and call it a catch-22, and make an ad like that challenging the reader to believe in me with reverse psychology.

 

I'm sure there are ways of putting a more positive spin on such an ad. The biggest thrill in these limited release 'negative' ads is that it's a bit of a twist, and some people may even take to the honesty in them - as 'negative ads' are usually associated with 'honesty' because people usually dont say bad things about themselves for the purpose of attracting people. What's curious, is that I've actually meet people on dates from the internet from negative ads (not sexualised ads but normal ones) and some people are taking them seriously.

 

There SHOULD be less of a threshold performance on a negative ad, since you are honest to pick up a girl, then I think you could be honest with the date (i.e. tell date you are nervous sitting infront of a girl if that's how you feel, rather than putting up a front, etc....)

 

Anyway, I know this is going a bit off topic, but the point still is - the biggest thrill of the November 1st to November 30th release of this special ad (construction late October), is how people will respond to it. Can something like lust, which is essentially selfish, combine with something that is selfless like charity - that is the mystery about the concept.

[quietgrl]

Hey could these women be hookers or escort?

[Luke Skywalker]

Hey could these women be hookers or escort?

 

Absolutely not.

 

First of all, a hooker or escort is not going to respond to an ad of a guy that claims never to have been with a girl before because those are the types of clients they would like to avoid. Why? Because a guy like me could potentially 'fall in love', 'develop feelings' or start stalking the hooker/escort placing me in a high risk category. IN fact, in the past, I'd even open up to hooker/escorts by email and write all sorts of stuff and send them that were too personal, but just to feel someone is listening to me.

 

Anyway, let me go over the women in detail since I can remember all respondents:

 

1) There were a few women who gave me smileys. They were either too ugly to be a hooker/escort, or they claimed to already have a boyfriend and was looking for a part-time lover. Again, just didn't seem like a hooker/escort. (with pic) Nov 2005

 

2) Another time, a woman responded to something intelligently I wrote, but I broke down when emailing her and started writing all sorts of ridicolous fantasy emails and turned her off. She appeared to be like a club girl and didn't at all look like a hooker or escort.

 

3) The Sweedish woman, 37 y/o who claimed to have a fantasy to deflower virgins right in her profile connected with me, but then I sent all sorts of emails to her about 'porn fantasies' that sort of undermined things a bit and didn't make me appear like an authentic virgin. Ironic. A hooker/escort would not have rejected me based on what I wrote, but would have explained her services.

 

4) The last girl worked at a local store, I meet her there. My mom was in on it, and pulled the plug off of it when I told my mom I was planning to do her in the family car or in a vacant house and bragged she sent me photos. Mom got upset and said I shouldn't see her and that was it.

 

So, in all, I could attest truthfully, they were all natural girls on lavalife and none of them were hookers/escorts. Again, a hooker or escort wouldn't be out to get virgins only real girls would - so my ad is not geared in a way to attract a hooker/escort to respond.

[Luke Skywalker]

Out of pressure of the Opposition Party - I've decided to write the current status of 'negative experiences'.

 

Opposition Party officals have made claims that women that have been around have generally been friendly and approachable, and if I asked them out for coffee sometime they may either have said yes, or if I got to know them longer they may warm up to me, rather than the absolute claim that 'nobody likes me'.

 

However, the GOP has decided to go over the real statistics that have come the likely premise of allowing porn to be viewed in November and an internet profile to get deflowered to be released:

 

- Out of town Indian-Trinidad girl was meet on June 10, 2006 this year. The date went badly. Recorded as a [-10] experience. Felt it was like bad luck.

 

- Meet a local Indian-Trinidad girl (looked like Opera Winfery) sometime in July. The date went fine, but things broke down badly. Recorded as a

[-10] experience.

 

- Infatuated over a mixed-Indian girl, wrote various threads on her, although not verified, it is believed she has rejected me for purposes of the policies here, and is assigned a [-10]

 

Since all three of these girls were meet from the Internet, I've rated the Internet experience in general [-10]

 

- Meet an Indian girl from referral of clients, first date seemed to go ok, but she said she would call me back when I called her and never did. [-10]

 

Public experience in general was recorded as [-10] because I just find it hard to connect with strangers in public and never got anywhere with anyone.

 

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NON-INDIAN girls

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All other girls have the worst score of [0] meaning I'm not interested or they are not interested.

 

Friends have ranges from 5 - 10, however, and are around three, but have not been able to even a majority negative score from above.

 

In a nutshell, it would seem that the girls I'm attracted to are not really attracted to me, or those where there is a weak mutual attraction just seems to low to make any dent on this system.

 

This system is fair and I'll likely be entitled to do whatever in November by October 25th. However, in the future, a bill may be passed to disqualify Indian girls from being alloted 'rejection' entries because it seems that their presense seems to be padding things a bit to get a porn month to pass more than anything else. This may be true, however, the fact still remains, if I am attracted physically to a certain type of appearance, then it remains a valid entry from this stand-point.

 

I'm open to hearing other criticism from opposition parties.

[quietgrl]

Luke,

 

"The last girl worked at a local store, I meet her there. My mom was in on it, and pulled the plug off of it when I told my mom I was planning to do her in the family car or in a vacant house and bragged she sent me photos. Mom got upset and said I shouldn't see her and that was it."

 

Would you have had sex in your family car?

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke,

 

"The last girl worked at a local store, I meet her there. My mom was in on it, and pulled the plug off of it when I told my mom I was planning to do her in the family car or in a vacant house and bragged she sent me photos. Mom got upset and said I shouldn't see her and that was it."

 

Would you have had sex in your family car?

 

Huh? My mistake, the car is registered under my name, however, my mom or parents often need to use me to drive them to different places, and the car is also used primarily for Real-Estate. The idea or concept of taking a virtual stranger and doing her in my car, and I would not do that, however, of course, the thought of doing so and communicating that with another party could be entertained - but I would not go that far because it is too far out of character. I'm more of a porn-sex guy than a real sex guy, real sex is messy and dirty anyway - so thinking of doing someone in the car is better than actually doing it - and there are plenty of porn like 'backseat bangers' or whatever, that feature people doing it in cars, picking people off the street or other premises for it. So getting a real girl to 'hypothetically' cooperate with me would serve a similar type of stuff - I really ended up masturbating for like a few days, or weeks on the whole thing and that was it. I would not actually do something like that.

 

The idea that this scenerio could have been possible if it was diligently and persistenly pursued with this other girl seems interesting in itself, but since I didn't diligent and persistently pursue it forward - who knows. Releasing a profile again in November.

[quietgrl]

Luke,

 

You're a fan of " backseat bangers".Those porn movie are chessy.Luke do you know a man in my neigborhood turn his van into "backseat bangers" van.His van is a walking porn ad.This dude drive up and down my neigborhood looking for chick to create a porn movie. Well 2 girl 3 house down got in the van and......

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke,

 

You're a fan of " backseat bangers".Those porn movie are chessy.Luke do you know a man in my neigborhood turn his van into "backseat bangers" van.His van is a walking porn ad.This dude drive up and down my neigborhood looking for chick to create a porn movie. Well 2 girl 3 house down got in the van and......

 

What are you trying to do, turn me on? She got in the van, did he offer her money, how did he get her to go in the van? Is it really 'reality' porn like that - then it's got to be good.

 

I am not currently viewing any hardcore porn, and have not viewed hardcore porn since April this year. The last time I viewed 'Backstreat bangers' was likely last year November or prior to that date.

 

I get turned on at the idea of inviting a sexy anonymous stranger into my car and getting laid with her, or watching a porn sequence that is premised on that.

 

I may watch 'Backstreat Bangers' come by the end of this month or next month - I like the 'reality' porn that deal with real anonymous strangers, not models, if I were to view porn. But, that's legal in your country/state for people to solicit people to act in porn movies or sex out of nowhere - or is that van taking big legal risks doing this?

 

You think it's cheesy movies, eh? The premise of approaching women for sex and the sexual prowness or how a guy would do that - in porn movies is more of a turn-on then the actual porn content itself. That my friend doesn't sound too cheesy.

[quietgrl]

Luke,

 

 

I'm not trying to turn you on with my neighbor's story but yes this chick got paid for going into this man's porn moving van.

 

Luke this man's van is a walking sex advertisment.The van say call this number if you want to have sex in front of a camera.It's one of those "sex gone wild" type of things.It's reality porn. My Dad know this man's father.

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke,

 

 

I'm not trying to turn you on with my neighbor's story but yes this chick got paid for going into this man's porn moving van.

 

Luke this man's van is a walking sex advertisment.The van say call this number if you want to have sex in front of a camera.It's one of those "sex gone wild" type of things.It's reality porn. My Dad know this man's father.

 

Right, I'm just saying talking about stuff like that is triggering - a chick going into a van to just do stuff like that? I wonder if she had a boyfriend and how he would feel about that, or her parents?

 

Your dad knows this man's father. What does his father think about his born business? So this is a California porn operation - so when I see people from 'Backstreat Bangers' they are likely from California and your local neighbourhood then? Well, the people there sound very loose I must admit.

[quietgrl]

Luke,

 

I don't know if these chick have a boyfriend but i do remember these chick running out of the van quickly. Everybody know this guy van in the neighborhood because of the advertisement on his van.

Luke most porn is produce in California and homemade porn is produce all over the world.

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke stop promoting that cancerous involuntary celibate board.We all know half of the people on that board is F**k up and need seriuos profession help.It's sad Captain the moderater doesn't shut that disease site down.

What!!!Is this true luke? "I'm a virgin seeking a deflower for a period of 30 days,"

 

I've been thinking about this quietgrl, or Robyn.

 

You know what - I was banned from two boards for life - which are as follows:

- the involuntary celibacy board.

- the no-porn board.

Both boards I was banned for reasons of stuff I posted.

 

So, I didn't need both of them, and made up a book - that accounts for 'involuntary celibacy' and 'no-porn' in one neatly contained note-book - which is what 'Internal Politics' is based on.

 

Involuntary celibacy - is accounted by having months or times where porn, hookers, or 'incel' sex personals are released (and sometimes normal personals) as contingent on putting a reasonable 'effort' at connecting with anyone of the opposite sex (friendship, relationship or sexual) with some game or in a normal way and getting 'negative experiences' that are related to 'lack of experience' or 'incelness'. It's assumed that I would want 'positive experiences', not 'negative ones' so I would not be manipulating the system to feed a 'porn/pay-for-sex' addiction - but would always prefer a real or natural woman.

 

Month times are typically Novembers (had a crush that 'friendzoned' me whose birthday was in 'November' which she later claimed was Oct 31st), February 10-18th (Valentine's day is February 14th), March 10-18th (My birthday is somewhere in there)

 

No porn - is accounted - simply for any frame that is beyond this period - where porn is illegalised and a moral reguime is inplace guarding against any lustful acting out or looking at anything lustful. That way, only natural or real girls are pursued in a normal (or with some game) type of way.

 

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Net effect is that there are 'sexualized' months - where infatuation or crushes/attraction are quantified to dollars and cents and everyone's expendable since you can always hire someone you cant get naturally (ie can watch Indian porn, use an Indian hooker if you cant get an Indian girlfriend) - and there are non-sexualised months - that are just there to set records of both effort and quality of experience to determine the extent of relief, if any, on a sexualised sector - creating some sense of control in an otherwise 'involuntary celibate state' where there feels like there is absolutely no control and you are just experiencing negative experiences one after the other which reinforces the state.

 

I've had enough good experiences to not go as far as using any hooker next month.

 

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[Luke Skywalker]

Luke... I say this with good intentions and compassion.

 

The way you think concerns me - it is very intense and obsessive, are you currently seeing a professional counsellor?

 

The rather...unusual way you think/live will show, and that is why you are single.

 

Sorry

 

I've decided to stand up for INCEL-dom by saying the following:

 

This is now referred to as INCEL-think - Involuntary Celibacy and is part of the book. My book which incapsulates the concept.

 

INCEL people are sometimes thought of needing to see therapy for their condition - but people should learn to accept them for who they are - because nobody chooses to be INCEL.

[quietgrl]

Giovanni,

 

I wish you would stop saying you was ban from the incel board and tell people the truth.A certain member set you up to be ban from that cancerous incel board and the moderator did nothing to stop it. I feel sorry for anybody who joins the involuntary celibate group because most of the people on that board are F**k up and don't want to get help.I think Capt Bandaid is a terrible moderator especially when it comes to virginity and sex with commitment issue. I was verbal attack on that board by some men and I had to leave that board because i didn't feel safe . Capt the moderator didn't do his job.

The problem i have with some incel.Nobody getting help for their personal issue but everyone so quick to have casual issue sex.

G i'm so glad you're trying to help yourself without the Incel board(clapping hand).I"M SO PROUD OF YOU.

[jilligirl]

classic. i really enjoyed reading your post.

 

you're very creative.lol.

[Dako]

Curious.

 

What kind of help do incels want?

I'm waiting for someone special, so I consider myself a volcel.

 

The word involuntary implies coercion. Are incels coerced into celibacy by some outside influence?

[Luke Skywalker]

Curious.

 

What kind of help do incels want?

 

I dont speak for incels, and I only speak for myself. I help myself, that's why I have my personal book - that's my coping strategy for my own 'incel' issues.

 

 

I'm waiting for someone special, so I consider myself a volcel.

 

If you had prior relationship, friendship or sexual experience and some really positive moments with someone special - sure, you are volcel.

 

When your someone special asks you - tell me about your relationships before, or did you have a girlfriend before - then what do you tell them?

If you are INCEL you'd have to lie to appear normal, because getting women to feel sorry for you tends to work against sex or relationships. If you do lie, then you feel you have to be someone else to get accepted.

 

 

The word involuntary implies coercion. Are incels coerced into celibacy by some outside influence?

 

"It's better to have love and lost, then never to have loved"

 

I look at my own situation as coersive. Economically coersive since I'm not making enough money to live independent of my parents with other seduction boards have claimed will greately impair my chances with women. I'm used to a dominating mother and feel sort of under my parents and do not feel I am normal in that sense of the term. It also factors further in my lack of experience with opposite sex, where I'm just not used to women

[Luke Skywalker]

For a memory of a lifetime, try our Total Recall memory chips.

 

That's right. We can even place memories of a girlfriend/boyfriend relationship, and you'd never know these were implanted memories.

 

Here at Incel-Tech we've developed a cure for the INCEL problem - which is basically wholesale memory chips. A patient is inserted into a chair, and chips are implanted and biologically merged into the brain's memory cells to create artificial memories of anything.

 

Come over and try it out, cost for the memory-chips are only $ 1000.

 

And best of all - there is no conflicts, cheating, fighting or break-ups in the relationship - it's absolutely PERFECT! (Any break-ups occur would be for natural reasons, like you just got tired of her or him and went with another girl/ or boy or whatever)

 

We strive for perfection here at Incel-Tech.

 

This would be the new multi-billion dollar business and I hereby patent this idea, so dont nobody go and steal my memory chip ingrams - ©, there is the copy-right patent logo.

[Luke Skywalker]

Well, it's October 25th, 2006. This year in review between March 18, 2006 to October 25th, 2006.

 

Lessons learned:

 

- On a first date, never ask a girl how many guys she slept with, or ask about her sexual history, or ask any line of question that may portray her as a wh0re, as you may nuke your chances.

 

- Always tell the truth about what you are looking for. If looking for gf, then say so, nothing wrong with wanting one.

 

- Use cell phone, or phone over email given a choice. Stay away from email or MSN chat where possible.

 

- If using email, emails should contain no longer than three sentences, and should be positive and non-confrontational. Any email longer than three sentences should be forwarded here for anonymous proofreading and be subject to public scrutiny.

 

- No confrontation or arguments should occur until a first kiss is procured.

 

- If there is a serious confrontation or issue, then a meeting should be arranged, and during the meeting a question about the issue, in a non-judgmental tone, may be brought up.

 

These mistakes have cost three potential people I was interested in.

 

Bummer. Having porn-alloted month, etc... because I'm an Involuntary Celibate - and being such, have made these sad and pathetic errors. Guess, I'll have to look at some porn or something next month, etc....

 

Next Judgement date on February 3rd, 2007.

[jilligirl]

Luke... I found a problem with your little political system:

 

Let's say, for EXAMPLE . . . your data collected (on emotional experiences/rejection) for the month of September was in the negative range, thus allowing you to watch porn for the next month, October.

 

OK, so now it's October, and you're watching porn-- and in the meantime, you're recording your emotional experiences/rejections for the NEXT month. Well, did you ever think that looking at porn can, in some way, affect your emotional experiences/rejection?

 

Say, for example, you're so consumed by porn for that month that you don't feel the NEED for emotional experiences, and thus do not try as hard to seek out opportunities for them? I wonder-- does looking at porn more often affect your emotional experiences??? You need to do something with this system of yours lol it's subject to error~!

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke... I found a problem with your little political system:

 

Let's say, for EXAMPLE . . . your data collected (on emotional experiences/rejection) for the month of September was in the negative range, thus allowing you to watch porn for the next month, October.

 

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I must correct you however on a few tech points. The time of recording of data is between March 18th to October 25th. Between December 1st to February 3rd. Those two periods.

 

Porn sectors - if you want to call it that, are in November (could creep back towards the 25th of October), February 10-18, and March 10-18th.

 

Now - the concept is that in those sectors, I may be allowed a choice to view porn, look for an escort, or release an adult personal - but may choose not to do anything (which given my nature may be unlikely). Choices may be bargained off (i.e. last year I learned French rather than buy internet porn. Bought foreign erotica rather than rent hardcore adult movies. Did not follow though with escort). Other times - it's an absolute restriction - or I would psychologically 'tune out' that I have a choice and would sanction myself if I breached my own rules given the addictive nature.

 

OK, so now it's October, and you're watching porn-- and in the meantime, you're recording your emotional experiences/rejections for the NEXT month. Well, did you ever think that looking at porn can, in some way, affect your emotional experiences/rejection?

 

All emotional experiences/rejections that triggered the 'judgement' above occurred during the summer time this year and in September. These were non-porn sectors. I stayed away from it since April to now. So, it has never been a factor in these recordings of data.

 

Say, for example, you're so consumed by porn for that month that you don't feel the NEED for emotional experiences, and thus do not try as hard to seek out opportunities for them? I wonder-- does looking at porn more often affect your emotional experiences??? You need to do something with this system of yours lol it's subject to error~!

 

There is a loss of motivation when the results are negative, rejection, heart-breaks, etc... and you are approaching October 25th - because you say, what the heck. Naturally, success breeds more success, but how many negative experiences with women can a guy take in a year before they give up and look at some porn? If I had normal positive and healthy experiences with women - then it would be illegal in November too. It's only fair you know.

 

But, I think I did put a good effort in - the negative experiences were quite real, and I did get a real heart-break in September, and made a tonne of mistakes due to my INCELness along the way - thus validating a expanded month where I may indulge myself (or have the choice to).