Scaphe Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I'm not sure what's wrong. I've read somewhere that the average human being is supposed to get 8 hours of sleep per night (on average). But regardless of what time I go to sleep, I end up waking up after approximately four hours. Go to sleep at 11pm? Wake up at 3am. Go to sleep at 8pm? Wake up at 12am. Go to sleep at 2am? Wake up at 6am. No matter what. With or without an alarm clock, I wake up after approximately four hours of sleep for some reason. But I am getting a little tired, truthfully. There are times that I feel half-aware of my surroundings. And I don't feel like my mind or body is performing even remotely close to its limits. On a side note: if I take any kind of sleep aid (and believe me, I can't bring myself to take more than one in any sitting) I sleep for an extended period of time (like 12 hours)... and somehow still feel drowsy. I don't get particularly tired during the nighttime; it's only during the day that I feel slightly groggy. A friend suggested that it might be some kind of mental issue that I'm experiencing, but I don't feel depressed in any way... although I'm far from experiencing any kind of elation either. I feel "grey", but I can still laugh and find enjoyment in things. It's just to a very watered down degree. Link to comment
ferna3069 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 you need to go to a docotr get checked. they can give you some medication or tell you whats wrong. Link to comment
mad rabbits Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I've read that a more natural way of sleeping than our Western concept of 8 hours sleep, and this is practised in some other cultures, is to sleep for four hours, wake up and do something relaxing for a while, and then go back to sleep for four hours. Can you go back to sleep after you have woken up if you try? Also are you drinking alcohol before bedtime? If so you will wake up four-five hours after you fall asleep, when the alcohol wears off Link to comment
Oneironaut Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I spent quite a bit of time at one point studying anything to do with sleeping: Patterns, brain waves, dreaming...and I can tell you first off that you have CONVINCED yourself that you cannot sleep more than 4 hours. That alone is far more powerful of a mindset than you may think. Even though everyone has different sleep needs, four hours is generally considered not enough time. Pharmacological sleep aids induce sleep, but not necessarily the kind you need to feel rested. That's why so many people wake up feeling groggy after taking them, and will still feel tired during the day. There are a variety of factors that may affect you before going to bed: Smoking, drinking caffeine or alcohol, stress, and physical activity levels are some of the big ones. As a lifelong insomniac, I highly recommend this article link removed There are a number of suggestions listed that you may want to consider trying. Good luck. Link to comment
Ariel85 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Do you exercise? I know if I don't do something physical daily, I don't burn off my energy and won't sleep well. Do you drink/eat a lot of caffeine or stimulants? That can contribute to insomnia. Are you stressed? That will keep your mind/body awake, even if you're feeling tired. OTC sleep aids will always make you drowsy. Have you tried ambien or something prescription? They don't give you the same effects. Link to comment
Seraphim Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Have a bed time routine that is very calming. Go to bed at the same time every day, wake up at the same time, stop changing it up because you get your body confused. Take a nice bath or shower and read or listen to calming music for about a half hour. Clear your mind of all it's troubles. Try some melatonin. As someone said many people convince themselves they can not sleep, when really they are doing a lot that is not sleep productive. Link to comment
Scaphe Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Do you exercise? I know if I don't do something physical daily, I don't burn off my energy and won't sleep well. Do you drink/eat a lot of caffeine or stimulants? That can contribute to insomnia. Are you stressed? That will keep your mind/body awake, even if you're feeling tired. OTC sleep aids will always make you drowsy. Have you tried ambien or something prescription? They don't give you the same effects. I exercise a bit, during the daytime. I usually work night shifts, so I don't get home till 10 o'clock most of the time. To be sufficiently tired, I have to go out of my way to exhaust myself (like pulling a double at work) or exercise extra hard. I drink coffee occasionally, but only in the morning. Eh, I suppose in a manner of speaking I am a tad stressed. According to my doctor, I have high blood pressure (although I have a slim to muscular body type). I'm a little anxious about sleep aids, so I generally like to steer away from them, unless I'm way overdue for sleep. Link to comment
Scaphe Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 I've read that a more natural way of sleeping than our Western concept of 8 hours sleep, and this is practised in some other cultures, is to sleep for four hours, wake up and do something relaxing for a while, and then go back to sleep for four hours. Can you go back to sleep after you have woken up if you try? Also are you drinking alcohol before bedtime? If so you will wake up four-five hours after you fall asleep, when the alcohol wears off Not usually. If I wake up early, I end up lying in bed until my alarm clock goes off at 6 am. Naah, I don't drink any day that I have to go to work. (which is almost every day hahahah) Link to comment
Scaphe Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Have a bed time routine that is very calming. Go to bed at the same time every day, wake up at the same time, stop changing it up because you get your body confused. Take a nice bath or shower and read or listen to calming music for about a half hour. Clear your mind of all it's troubles. Try some melatonin. As someone said many people convince themselves they can not sleep, when really they are doing a lot that is not sleep productive. I probably do need to change my habits. When I get home from work, I usually end up eating dinner, and then read for a while afterwards, before taking a shower or bath. Link to comment
ycmanvs Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I have been doing some research on this and it appears that there are a few people with a genetic mutation that makes them only sleep 4 hours per night. This article, from 2009 explains it: link removed I feel fine with only 4 hours a night and I have been like this ever since I was a small child. My family was worried that I had a "sleep phobia" so they took me to all kinds of doctors, but no one could find anything wrong with me. I enjoy having the extra free time, so I can get a lot more done in a day. Link to comment
luminousone Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I usually work night shifts, so I don't get home till 10 o'clock most of the time. Are you working rotating shifts? That can mess up your sleep cycle... You should consult a doctor (sleep specialist) about this. There are sleep hormones that get you to sleep, and then another set of different hormones to keep you asleep at a later stage. You may be deficient in the second set of hormones. Otherwise, it is environmental - like if you are trying to sleep during the day, or you have rotating shifts, you go to bed at different times each day (or night?) etc. Also, have you always been this way or did it just start. You can do some problem solving and keep a journal on when this happens and what you ate and did that day. Link to comment
Batya33 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I have been doing some research on this and it appears that there are a few people with a genetic mutation that makes them only sleep 4 hours per night. This article, from 2009 explains it: link removed I feel fine with only 4 hours a night and I have been like this ever since I was a small child. My family was worried that I had a "sleep phobia" so they took me to all kinds of doctors, but no one could find anything wrong with me. I enjoy having the extra free time, so I can get a lot more done in a day. Just curious -have you ever had more sleep for an extended period and noticed that you felt better or different- more clear-headed for example? Link to comment
RelaxByWater84 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Are you on the computer or watch TV while you are in bed. I've found that when I leave my TV on in my room while I'm in bed I tend to awaken at all hours of the night. Link to comment
ycmanvs Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Just curious -have you ever had more sleep for an extended period and noticed that you felt better or different- more clear-headed for example? No, I actually feel very groggy if I get more sleep. Anything more than 6 hours, I feel horrible the next day. Link to comment
Funkychicken Posted April 6, 2012 Share Posted April 6, 2012 Hi, I just saw this article that explains that humans may really move towards sleep that lasts 3-5 hours a period, followed by an hour or so of resting, awake. Hmm no urls allowed: cracked[dot]com/article_19121_7-basic-things-you-wont-believe-youre-all-doing-wrong.html #4 Also, when I took a primate social behavior course in college, it turns out that maybe we are supposed to sleep only in fits because we don't want to fall out of the tree or be eaten, or we need to take care of our baby. I wonder what happens if you don't fight it, as the article mentions. I have heard in other places that we sleep in 4 hour periods, but I hadn't heard that there is a natural period of wakefulness and resting in between. I, personally have never experienced that. (I have experienced the four hour cycle, though.) Mr. F. C. Link to comment
BIG JOCK Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 you need to go to a doctor get checked. they can give you some medication or tell you whats wrong. Wow. Gobsmacked to be honest. Some poor guy, just like myself comes on the forum for some worldly advice from members from all over the world and the poor guy gets told by a GOLD member no less " go see a doctor" unbelievably fantastic advice. I bet he never thought about that before reaching out to the well knowledged world for some advice. I say if you don't have anything informative to say then go talk nonsense on a social network. Link to comment
Seraphim Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Wow. Gobsmacked to be honest. Some poor guy, just like myself comes on the forum for some worldly advice from members from all over the world and the poor guy gets told by a GOLD member no less " go see a doctor" unbelievably fantastic advice. I bet he never thought about that before reaching out to the well knowledged world for some advice. I say if you don't have anything informative to say then go talk nonsense on a social network. We are all just people. Not experts. Absolutely nothing wrong with saying go see a doctor sometimes that's what people need to do. Also the person you're trying to admonish hasn't logged on in over a year. And the thread is from 4years ago. Link to comment
tcio Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'm not sure what's wrong. I've read somewhere that the average human being is supposed to get 8 hours of sleep per night (on average). But regardless of what time I go to sleep, I end up waking up after approximately four hours. Go to sleep at 11pm? Wake up at 3am. Go to sleep at 8pm? Wake up at 12am. Go to sleep at 2am? Wake up at 6am. No matter what. With or without an alarm clock, I wake up after approximately four hours of sleep for some reason. I have the EXACT same problem. And it sure isn't because I CONVINCED myself to wake up after 4 hours (as another member mentioned and is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard) so I can subliminally make my life as miserable or complicated as possible. I've had sleeping issues since I was about 5 years old. Melatonin really helped me over the years and also herbal teas help as well. I'm not fond of sleeping medicines or drugs as I like to be alert and aware as much as possible and cannot afford to sleep too deep in case of an emergency of some sort (have disabled/special needs kids). I go back to sleep hours later though otherwise I cannot function properly and feel like absolute crap later in the day. Six hours a day works perfect for me as well as seven but 8 or more I feel lazy and non-motivated the entire day. Link to comment
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