how can people tip $5 on a $95 check and feel good about themselves?!

[Elsewhere]

I'm confused: if tipping is part of the wages, then why is it a percentage? Shouldn't I tip $1 per plate carried? Is it twenty times harder to carry a $100 steak than a $5 burger? Someone please help me out here.

 

a $100 steak gets much more "preparation" than cheaper meal - in such places waiters tip out their hostess bussboys baristas bartenders etc, your napkins are ironed and someone organized sugar packets label up front - these people are getting paid from your tip too... then your waiter has time to explain what's special about this steak bc he doesn't have to run filling up waterglasses or bussing dishes

 

that's how I understand it

[Cognitive_Canine]

Okay, so like a salesman if you manage to push a larger bill on the customer, for the benefit of the restaurant, you deserve a larger commission. Fine. Except that's FROM THE RESTAURANT. I don't recall people buying goods from salesman also then paying the salesman's commission! The company does that, because the company is benefitting. So it should be in a restautant, by your own argument.

 

The restaurant sort of just includes that payment as part of your meal price. It doesn't say that on the menu but it's how they treat it.

 

As I said in a previous post, if tipping wasn't there and restaurants paid, they'd have to up the prices of all their meals. This will cause less people to eat out as often.

 

People won't pay more if the bill is in their face. They don't think about the tip being part of the actual meal. The restaurant looks cheaper if they have the people tip on the side and don't include it in the meal price. It's a trick to get people to think they are getting a deal.

[norsewoman]

I tip a minimum of 20%. I know full well that their hourly pay is LESS than minimum wage here BECAUSE it's expected they will get tips - and that's just to survive. It's part of their wage.

 

If I can't afford the meal + tip I don't go - simple.

 

How someone treats wait staff to me is very telling as to their character. Same with receptionists, etc. When I am with someone I will always notice how they behave.

 

Now, having said all that, I have tipped very low if treated rudely or downright ignored as a customer. I don't penalize the wait staff for something the kitchen has control over, however.

 

Same here.

[karvala]

maybe you need to evaluate your service... i have had waitresses and waiters do everything they should... but they seemed annoyed about the entire thing and it took away from the dining experience...so my attitude is .. I worked hard for my money .. took crap from my boss all day so WHY should i give you my hard earned money if you had an attitude the entire meal?

 

If you aren't getting good tips .. maybe you need to evaluate your attitude and how you serve.. or change your profession to something that isn't paid based on tips.

 

If don't i dont perform well during the year... and i want bonuses and raises i have to perform... bottom line... same with the service industry

 

Amen to that. It's the expected nature of a tip that irritates me, and especially when the servers with the highest entitlement attitude are also the ones with the worst service attitude in my experience. I like eating out too, but like the grades I give my students, my tips vary considerably, from zero up to a high amount, depending on the level of service.

 

Meanwhile, for the record, in my very difficult job which required twelve years training and a string of high level qualifications, I don't get any tips, and I know for a fact I earn much LESS than my friends who work as waiters in a couple of decent restaurants, i.e. the people I should apparently be handing my money over too because they're oh so poor.

Maybe the next time a server comes in for a brain scan, I'll hold my hand out first.

[unknownme]

Be thankful you got a tip!!

People don't have to leave a tip..with the way this economy is $5 is better than nothing at all...

 

If you have an issue with rude people, don't be affraid to ask them nicely to be polite: something like this :

"Excuse me, can you please be a bit more polite, Thank you"

[karvala]

The restaurant sort of just includes that payment as part of your meal price. It doesn't say that on the menu but it's how they treat it.

 

As I said in a previous post, if tipping wasn't there and restaurants paid, they'd have to up the prices of all their meals. This will cause less people to eat out as often.

 

People won't pay more if the bill is in their face. They don't think about the tip being part of the actual meal. The restaurant looks cheaper if they have the people tip on the side and don't include it in the meal price. It's a trick to get people to think they are getting a deal.

 

In that case, when it goes wrong at in the OP, I'd suggest blaming the restaurant for that failed attempt at fooling people, rather than blaming the people for not having been fooled.

[Cognitive_Canine]

In that case, when it goes wrong at in the OP, I'd suggest blaming the restaurant for that failed attempt at fooling people, rather than blaming the people for not having been fooled.

 

If she wants the job, she has to go the way everyone else is going. Unfortunately, this works out very well for restaurant owners and they have no reason to change this. With the constant struggle of keeping prices down, keeping the tip separate is one of the biggest ways to keep the costumers flowing.

 

From making plates smaller, to making silverware heavier, to putting more ice in drinks...restaurants have some nasty tricks up their sleeves to make it seem like you aren't paying more for less...when you are most of the time.

[sophie274]

Meanwhile, for the record, in my very difficult job which required twelve years training and a string of high level qualifications, I don't get any tips, and I know for a fact I earn much LESS than my friends who work as waiters in a couple of decent restaurants, i.e. the people I should apparently be handing my money over too because they're oh so poor.

Maybe the next time a server comes in for a brain scan, I'll hold my hand out first.

 

I'm fairly sure you don't watch the American version of the TV show "The Office", but there is an episode in which one of the characters says that he does not tip anyone whose job he could himself do, which is why he doesn't tip waiters or cab drivers, but tips his urologist. You should try to recruit more patients like him!

[karvala]

I'm fairly sure you don't watch the American version of the TV show "The Office", but there is an episode in which one of the characters says that he does not tip anyone whose job he could himself do, which is why he doesn't tip waiters or cab drivers, but tips his urologist. You should try to recruit more patients like him!

 

Fantastic Idea!

[glegend]

You know what a tip is optional. They can tip whatever they like. If they felt that it was only worth a $5 tip well thats all your going to get. At least you got something. I carry out Snowblowers and BBQ's at work along with other big items and majority of the times I get nothing. I break my back for the customers and get nothing. And your complaining about a $5 tip.

 

Something else you mention. The bill was for $95. However, you don't mention what they purchased. You could be working at a place where the food is expensive.

[Doc Blaze]

hey you tip like crap expect crappy services...you want to eat nice and have a treat...your remember the workers...pisses me off when people cry about tipping..then make yourself a sandwich and eat at home...seriously oh the ecocomy is bad..then WHY ARE YOU EATING OUT IF YOU WANT TO SAVE MONEY....i tip awesome...and you know what i go back to the restaurant and always have drinks before i ask..always great food and friendly service...no problem giving people money to people who work hard at what they do..

[nicki.nicki]

I took on a job as a waitress and it's just awful how ungrateful it is sometimes... Most of the times it's fun bc you work with people and I love it. But some people just scare me! they have me running around them all night, don't know the expression "excuse me" instead they yell: "Heeeeeeeeeey!" from the top of their lungs and they leave without tipping!

 

Anyone can tell me how to deal with that?

 

Customers will always yell at the waitress or sales assistant and be down right rude to them!. But....

 

I dont think its ungrateful because they tip that much or dont tip at all.

 

The customer has paid for the meal and drinks they had.

 

I dont tip. I dont see why i should. Maybe thats because i live in a country where tipping is not very big at all nor is it expected. Im not handing over $120 for something that only costs $100 just because the waitress or sales person 'helped' me or provided me with that service they are there to do. It is your job to serve them.

[karvala]

hey you tip like crap expect crappy services...you want to eat nice and have a treat...your remember the workers...pisses me off when people cry about tipping..then make yourself a sandwich and eat at home...seriously oh the ecocomy is bad..then WHY ARE YOU EATING OUT IF YOU WANT TO SAVE MONEY....i tip awesome...and you know what i go back to the restaurant and always have drinks before i ask..always great food and friendly service...no problem giving people money to people who work hard at what they do..

 

That's great. So remind me how much you tip the bank clerk, the nurse, the garbage man, your children's school teachers or college tutors, the road-sweeper, the supermarket checkout girl, the bus driver, the dentist?

Or do they not work hard at what they do?

[Applewhite]

I don't understand this tipping business either. And I don't understand why waiters/waitresses are angry at the customer rather than being angry at their employers that don't pay them enough. If they don't like the pay, they should find other jobs. Once the restaurants realize they can't keep the business going if they don't have any waiters, they will realize the need to raise waiters wages. It is basic supply and demand.

 

I think it is rude to expect someone who is not your boss to pay you because you did your job well. I think it is especially rude to call someone rude when they tipped you, when they are not your boss.

[Doc Blaze]

Customers will always yell at the waitress or sales assistant and be down right rude to them!. But....

 

I dont think its ungrateful because they tip that much or dont tip at all.

 

The customer has paid for the meal and drinks they had.

 

I dont tip. I dont see why i should. Maybe thats because i live in a country where tipping is not very big at all nor is it expected. Im not handing over $120 for something that only costs $100 just because the waitress or sales person 'helped' me or provided me with that service they are there to do. It is your job to serve them.

 

i said just dont be mad if you dont get good service.....i get good services 90 percent of the time...people will complain about everything to save a buck

[Doc Blaze]

That's great. So remind me how much you tip the bank clerk, the nurse, the garbage man, your children's school teachers or college tutors, the road-sweeper, the supermarket checkout girl, the bus driver, the dentist?

Or do they not work hard at what they do?

 

hey you get what you pay for...you get good service with bad tips..good for you...

[wildchild1]

I have to say that I have never waited a table in my life. That said, all jobs have there upsides and downsides. I think to give an example that a few servers that you know that make more then you are the norm for the industry is inaccurate. As with all industries there will be a wide variation in income for the same job. As mentioned before, the tip often is disseminated to other members of the crew.

 

I think it is important to distinguish between a reasonable standard, and unreasonable expectations. I went out to lunch yesterday were a server is required and had a $9 ticket. 20% of the ticket is only $1.80. If I can't spend an extra $1.20 to round it out to $3, for having a server with my lunch, I think I should reassess my desire to eat out in general.

 

Most servers are just looking to make extra money on the side to help pay bills. You can phrase it however, but at this point in our society, tacitly or not people depend on that money for their livelihood. Indeed it does seem cheap to not be able to offer up %20.

[karvala]

hey you get what you pay for...you get good service with bad tips..good for you...

 

Okay, so DO you tip all those other types of people as well? Or do you just get bad service from them? Enquiring minds would like to know.

[Elsewhere]

Customers will always yell at the waitress or sales assistant and be down right rude to them!. But....

Im not handing over $120 for something that only costs $100 just because the waitress or sales person 'helped' me or provided me with that service they are there to do. It is your job to serve them.

 

So you mean it's normal and ok to talk down to people just because they are doing this job? or any job for that matter?

 

And yes, they are doing their job but please realize they are not getting paid unless you pay them! I get half of the minimum wage per hour. That means if you don't tip me, I can't even afford to pay my taxes bc they are calculated accordingly to sales...

 

That's great. So remind me how much you tip the bank clerk, the nurse, the garbage man, your children's school teachers or college tutors, the road-sweeper, the supermarket checkout girl, the bus driver, the dentist?

Or do they not work hard at what they do?

 

Again, waitress gets $3,80 an hour, all above professions get salary.

Please note: sometimes I come to work and there's no business and leave empty handed.

 

If they don't like the pay, they should find other jobs. Once the restaurants realize they can't keep the business going if they don't have any waiters, they will realize the need to raise waiters wages. It is basic supply and demand.

 

Sorry but you must live in Utopia land. You're asking waiters of the world to quit to "teach restaurant owners a lesson", there's 100 people for every job offer - that's the basic of supply and demand.

[Doc Blaze]

sorry my mom is a dental hygienist....50 plus and hour..tips gonna dont mean crap but when you make 3 bucks an hour tips do mean stuff

[Elsewhere]

i said just dont be mad if you dont get good service.....i get good services 90 percent of the time...people will complain about everything to save a buck

 

so true! sad but true!

[GoneCrazy]

So? If you can't afford the 15-20% tip on a $95 bill, go somewhere less extravagant. It's really quite simple.

 

Not saying i wouldn't tip more but lets say if people go less extravagan well then the resturant gets no business or barely any and which would leave the waitress with zero tips, or barely any.

[Applewhite]

It is not about being able to (or not able to) offer it. It is about a valid concern of WHY you should be REQUIRED to.

[Doc Blaze]

right or wrong...tipping for a waitress is a social norm...you might agree or disagree but its known before everyone goes out for dinner...its not some big surprise.....

[Applewhite]

right or wrong...tipping for a waitress is a social norm...you might agree or disagree but its known before everyone goes out for dinner...its not some big surprise.....

 

I know a country where it is 'social norm' to spit on the street, or wipe your nose with your hand and throw it on the street! It doesn't make it normal or right or logical etc. And ending a discussion with "aaaah who cares if it is right or wrong, it is the norm!" just shows how irrational this thought process is.