Would this be consider RAPE!!!!!!!!

[zeze_the_xx]

This is base on wut happened to my friend one drunken night but I dunno wut to think but it's a guy case. Anyways he hasn't told his g/f, which is a good friend of mines too about it, it was one of the days when we were reviwing for an exam and he just kept staring into space and all sad. So, I asked if something wrong, he was like yes, can I say it to you and not my g/f, I was like sure. He told me about like 3 weeks ago it was one of his friend's b-day and the party got huge, so he got all drunk, passed out and that day when he woke up, he was all tied up in bed, couclnt' move and there were these two girls, one he knows, it was one of his friend's younger sister and the other he doesn't. He tells about both rubbing theirselves against him while he was like saying "Hey get the heck off me, * * * * *", and they woudln't, they would take his shirt off and continue with the it, then he left. The next day he manage somehow to untied himself. Now, the girl who's one of his friend's sister is 16, and he teels me that the other girl looked no more than 17 or 18.

But he tells me that wut makes him more angry is that they took away his virginity and he wanted to wait with his g/f, but now he doens't know whether to tell his g/f this, she might think he really cheated on him. So wut should he do, now, he really wants to do something about it, but at the same time is like "No way, they'll laught, they prollie dodn't believe a thing I'll say, it won't work, and my g/f would dump me.

[zeze_the_xx]

I shock when he told me this, I really never thought that a girl could be capable of doing this.

[Ghostrider4042005]

i'd say you'd have to tell his gf but you're gonna have to say it wasn't his fault cuz he told them to stop and they didn't and so she shouldn't get mad at him at all but that's just me

[PocoDiablo]

This does not sound real to me ... are you sure?

[ariyadhana]

Well, assuming this story is true - if they tied him up against his will and took his virginity, then yes, that would be considered rape.

[Beec]

Yes, that's rape, if it happened.

 

And if it did, he should get some counseling.

 

It's not your business to tell his gf. That's his choice.

[theantibarbie23]

I'm sorry but I have to say this story doesn't really sound all that credible to me. It sounds like a badly written story that you'd read in penthouse or something. Maybe your friend is trying to pull one over on you?

[LiquidCherry]

So.. Your friend went to a party and passed out only to wake the next day to find himself tied to a bed and two girls.. I don't know how big your friend is but I know if my boyfriend passed out at a party it would be pretty much impossible for two girls to drag him into a room and lift him onto a bed. Dead weight is heavy. So these two girls raped him the next day, when they were no longer under the influence of alcohol? It sounds like people crashed at the house the party was at... And no one else was there to help him? There are two possibilities that I think are likely. The first being that your friend got drunk and cheated on his girlfried. I hope this is what happened. The other is that your friend really was raped because yes, his story would be considered rape.

 

Going on the assumption that it is true Ghostrider is absolutely wrong. Your friend confided in you, NOT his girlfriend and unless he wants to tell her she has no right to know, none. Rape is often embarrassing for males in addition to many other feelings, and regardless, it is a personal issue and only the people he feels comfortable with telling should know. You can advise your friend to seek counseling or to contact authorities but again, this is a personal choice and his decision alone, not yours or anyone else's. Also, he should be tested for STD's regardless of whatever else he decideds to do. Tell your friend that it's called "giving your virginity" because it's a gift. A gift can't be stolen or taken from you, it's still his to keep for as long as he chooses.

[zeze_the_xx]

Well maybe it's cuz his height, he's only 5"7", not that tall for a guy and the girl that's his friend's sister is a bit taller and kinda overwight, maybe that's why they manage to drag him in the bed, but I also think someone helped them too, some friend he trusted, maybe, cuz yea I dunno how two girls would drag him like that. But yes, he does say this did happened, says not to tell anyone about this. He's dying to get tested, doesn't know if he should report the girl he know, his friend's sister who's 16, doens't knwo wut to do about the other one he doens't know. He's so mad, he tells me he wishes to see them locked up. Wut he can't get over the most part, is that they were both laughing even after telling them to get off.

[LiquidCherry]

If he wants to press charges he does need to report them, at least the girl he knows and if a confession is made they can charge the other girl as well. The longer he waits it is less likely he will be taken seriously. In fact, it would have been best if he had gone to the hospital or police station as soon as he could have after it happened. It is really up to him what he does though. Some people wish to press charges, others do not. If they were laughing.. Is it possible that these girls weren't taking his no's seriously? Even so, no always means no.

[Beec]

 

Going on the assumption that it is true Ghostrider is absolutely wrong. Your friend confided in you, NOT his girlfriend and unless he wants to tell her she has no right to know, none. Rape is often embarrassing for males in addition to many other feelings, and regardless, it is a personal issue and only the people he feels comfortable with telling should know. You can advise your friend to seek counseling or to contact authorities but again, this is a personal choice and his decision alone, not yours or anyone else's. Also, he should be tested for STD's regardless of whatever else he decideds to do. Tell your friend that it's called "giving your virginity" because it's a gift. A gift can't be stolen or taken from you, it's still his to keep for as long as he chooses.

 

Very well said.

[ocrob]

Ok, I have read the posts and was not sure what to think. Then, it occurred to me...If this guy was so drunk and passed out, then there is no way he could have sex with these girls. Having drunk sex is hard enough, but not passed out sex. How did these women get him aroused and position him to have sex. I say impossible.

[PocoDiablo]

Ok, I have read the posts and was not sure what to think. Then, it occurred to me...If this guy was so drunk and passed out, then there is no way he could have sex with these girls. Having drunk sex is hard enough, but not passed out sex. How did these women get him aroused and position him to have sex. I say impossible.

Yeah, I was just about to say the same thing.

 

When you're drunk you can't get it up. This just does not make sense.

 

My take: He cheated on his GF and now he is looking for an excuse. If this is the case, then it absolutely SICKENS me that he is crying rape.

 

He made a mistake in my opinion and now he feels guilty. I don't believe this for one second.

[zeze_the_xx]

Ok, gonna have to go now people, thanx for all the advice, see I just talked to him and for the first time, he just broke down on the phone, never heard him crying ever, always use to think guys don't cry, but no, they do have feelings too, but say he's gonna call again when he feels better and say wut he's gonna do about this and that he's ready to get tested. At least it's a good thing to hear he's gonna take action for wut happen. I agree that it must be so traumatic to be taken against ur will, giving ur virginity is a gift, yes I also agree with that Cherry, and wut they did to him was so disturbing. Well, I'll keep ya undated and see how it goes.

[theantibarbie23]

Ok, I have read the posts and was not sure what to think. Then, it occurred to me...If this guy was so drunk and passed out, then there is no way he could have sex with these girls. Having drunk sex is hard enough, but not passed out sex. How did these women get him aroused and position him to have sex. I say impossible.

 

That what I was thinking. I may be a cynical person but it just doesn't seem plausible.

[TheLegend]

Well maybe it's cuz his height, he's only 5"7", not that tall for a guy and the girl that's his friend's sister is a bit taller and kinda overwight, maybe that's why they manage to drag him in the bed, but I also think someone helped them too, some friend he trusted, maybe, cuz yea I dunno how two girls would drag him like that. But yes, he does say this did happened, says not to tell anyone about this. He's dying to get tested, doesn't know if he should report the girl he know, his friend's sister who's 16, doens't knwo wut to do about the other one he doens't know. He's so mad, he tells me he wishes to see them locked up. Wut he can't get over the most part, is that they were both laughing even after telling them to get off.

 

lol im 5"3-4' then I should absolutely stay off of streeets!! :S lol

[Beec]

I'm thinking the guy got drunk and had sex with two girls and this is the best story he was able to come up with.

 

It's a little difficult for a guy to be raped.

 

Why would you say that? If he were tied up and someone got on, who he did not want to be on, why would it not be rape?

[justlookin]

I would put the situation in a different perspective and ask the question? would it be the same if it was a female that this happened too???

[PocoDiablo]

The point I think folks are making is that it's hard to get an erection when you are passed out drunk. No erection = no sex.

 

Now I *did* recently read about a situation where some girl flirted with a guy, roofied him, took him back to her house, and was trying to tie him to the bed with gay porn on the TV and her boyfriend came back and said "Is he ready yet?" and he managed to bail. THAT would have been rape....

[Beec]

Well, I could imagine, that when awoken form such a state once awake, I could get hard. There's a limit to how drunk, but there's a lot of leeway.

 

Frankly, it sounds like one of my teenage fantasies, but I have never experienced it.

[theantibarbie23]

Why would you say that? If he were tied up and someone got on, who he did not want to be on, why would it not be rape?

 

It's harder to rape men because they have to be hard in order for sex to happen. I would think if he was drunk enough to pass out and be dragged around and tied up without waking up he'd have problems keeping an erection even if he wanted to that night.

[RayKay]

Well, even some women lubricate when being raped...the body response is not always in line with the reality of the situation, so even men being raped can be erect. Many people often feel very confused after something like this because of these reasons.

 

While this situation does sound a lot stranger, it's not impossible. It comes down to trust.

[RayKay]

I'm thinking fear, anger and humiliation would override this reaction.

If someone is in a panicked state, they don't get hard. It's not part of the fight of flight response.

But it doesn't always, and that is the point. It is a myth that an erection means it was thereforeeee not rape. It is a pretty bad one at that too, because it just propagates the fear and confusion many men feel after rape.

 

One CAN actually get erections also as a response to extreme stress, and because it is a normal response. Never endings can respond regardless. Many women also have felt this during rapes when they lubricated and then had some shame afterwards about it. It's a biological response.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Sometimes men who are being raped or sexually assaulted get an erection or ejaculate. If this happened, it does not mean that you wanted it. This involuntary reaction can happen when your body is in a state of extreme stress"

[LiquidCherry]

While I have my own doubts about this story I also think it is possible. I always take rape claims with a grain of salt but still consider them to be very serious.

 

The first post said he woke tied up the next morning. If he crashed and was raped the next day that solves the drunk/erection dispute. (Also, just because someone is drunk doesn't mean they can't get an erection AND just because someone doesn't get an erection doesn't mean they weren't raped.)

 

And I know a male can and often does get an erection even when being sexually abused. Like other's have said, their body is simply responding to stimuli.

 

Men often keep quiet about being raped because they are embarrassed and ashamed so to me it makes sense that he would confide in a female friend he was not dating.

 

And while I do think it is possible that this happened there is one thing I am finding hard to swollow.. That he was raped by two girls. Not one. Two. Which means they were both doing this to him. Unless they were assuming that they were preforming what they thought would be any guys fantasy.. I dunno. I'm kind of hoping that he is just feeling guilty about cheating on his girlfriend. I don't like to think that others have to suffer because they were raped.

[Derge]

Its not rape unless they penetrated him as far as im concerned which is unfair but it would be difficult for a women to rape a man as most rapes on men occur from other males who are physically capable of penetration and the strengh. This seems like a likely story some of my friends may tell!! oh yes and some of them do tell the odd porky!