planb. Thanks for that. The thing is she already has an 8 year old child, and she shows no desire to have more. Marriage? She also shows no need for that..... BUT she wants to live with me (i think), and so far i have shown no real enthusiasm to do this. However we have for reasons of business been away from each other for over a month.... i feel i would like nothing better right now to live with her, but that might wear off. We will be back together in a few days again - we'll see!!!