tiputipi Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Circumcision is non-consensual body modification, i.e. mutilation.* If it's okay to mutilate someone against their will or without their consent, then it must be okay to kill someone (how about removing their heart?) If you think it's okay for you to murder people, then you must admit that it's okay for others to murder you. A far better philosophy is one of unalienable rights. All beings have an unalienable right to life and freedom, and that includes freedom from mutilation. Unalienable rights are not owed to you by anybody, but they should not be violated. The philosophy of unalienable rights is a closer representation of the truth than that of war or murder, and perhaps as you enter into all truth, you will find your rights truly unalienable. If everyone refrains from violating the person and property of others, the world will remain at peace. The line must be drawn somewhere, and we hope the state is not too oppressive in its restrictions. Lest we conclude there is no guiding light and no philosophy, and that the state merely imposes itself on others with no regard. In which case, we must conclude that it is okay for us to do the same to the state and that the state is as wrong as it claims us to be. Then we must either choose to suffer evils while evils are sufferable, or engage the philosophy of "Give me Liberty, or give me death" and go to war to free ourselves of oppressive bondage. *People under 18, and certainly those under 12, cannot consent to circumcision and a whole host of other activities. Tipu Link to comment
theallamericanqt Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Circumsion is a choice of the parents, its not forced! It's for protection, like from bacteria or infection, its just a precaution. Comparing it to murder is crazy! You have your own thoughts on the situation, you made good points but there are bigger issues/problems with rights. Its just a piece of skin. I really dont see why you care so much, so maybe i dont know what im talking about? Link to comment
johnagent1911 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I rather have my foreskin removed then my heart... I think you took this issue way out hand. I rather have my foreskin removed for health reasons then a VITAL ORGAN TO STAY ALIVE. I been living for 20 years with out foreskin, and I don't regret it one bit. The end. -1911 Link to comment
Darkblade Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 I agree, and i wish I had never been circumcised; if you can't imagine possible ill effects of this then you are an oaf and/or intellectually lazy. parents and their "right" to choose. Link to comment
ComputerGuy Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Um, you do realise it can actually be done for medical reasons, as was the case with me. Link to comment
johnagent1911 Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Delete this topic, it's useless. . Link to comment
Darkblade Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Medical reasons are uncommon; please don't recite medical myths to refute me. (No, cleanliness is not a sufficient reason (if it is at all) to mutilate someone, thus removing future pleasure, as well as choice, from his life.) Link to comment
kyokushinkid_9 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 i agree circumsision (bad spelling,lol) is not natural. im a guy and i feel bad 4 the guys that r cut. Link to comment
ComputerGuy Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 I never stated that mediacl reasons were the only one, but no matter what I argue and no matter what you or anyone else argues, some will always be for, some against it, and some won't give a crap either way. So ultimately this is a completely useless and pointless topic. You have your opinion and I have mine, I'm not saying your wrong, I'm not saying im right, an opinion is simply that, an opinion. For me, and the people for it, I'm right, for you and the people against it your right. This could go on forever, so let it go. Link to comment
johnagent1911 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 Again delete key should be in progress. Link to comment
Luciana Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 There is absolutely no need for it. Old wive's tale. Poor babies, going through pain. Link to comment
spencerbandit88 Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 It's also done for "religious beliefs" and that is as much garbage as johnagent1911. I as well feel sorry for those guys who are cut, unnecessary pain. spencerbandit88 Link to comment
Darkblade Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 ComputerGuy, I know that the argument is pretty pointless, because arguing will not likely change anyone's mind, but there is no need to stop talking about it. If this is unimportant to you, you are free to not respond to further or look at this thread. However, there is no need for anyone else to let it go if they just feel like talking about it. Link to comment
avman Posted July 15, 2004 Share Posted July 15, 2004 This topic locked due to flaming Link to comment
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