Muttley

Well, it has been over a week and she never got back to me. So there's my solid hint right there! It's a biatch though because she could have turned me down the minute I asked her out for a third date. But no, she provided me with "false hope" instead, no? And even if I was in the friend zone all along, I still didn't deserved to be treated as such. But hey, c'est la vie. Anyhow, I've learned my lesson well and have moved on since then (i.e. I'll probably be starting a new thread soon). Thanks to everyone who shared a piece of their mind with me. Let my plight be a lesson to every bloody "nice guy" out there. When someone gives you advice to "Just be yourself", tell them (respectfully) that's a load of bollocks! Be nice but not TOO nice. Take it from the poster child of the adage, "Nice guys finish last". Good day.

You still aren't getting it......She already KNOWS you are into her. There is no need to spill your guts about anything because it is very obvious to her. What ever you do, DO NOT TELL HER YOU WANT A MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIP. If it is meant to be it will happen on its own. I wish I could jump out there and shake you up!! You're going to blow things before there is even a chance it may get better. Stop worrying about this girl, she's a grown woman who has wants and desires just like any other. When she wants to take it to the next level YOU WILL KNOW. She will most definitely be put off by your neediness if you continue to try and make things happen without her putting in any effort. When a girl is interested, even when she's busy, she will always find a way, keep that in mind.................... Thank God for Internet Love Advice Fora! But there's still this problem, you see -- I don't know where she stands. But alright then, I'll just continue to treat her as a friend and have a good time with her the next time we go out. Seriously, thanks man!

Let me throw something into the equation. She'll be taking an important examination in a couple of months so she's been quite busy with studying and reviewing. Does this somehow justify everything that has occurred the past couple of weeks (i.e. She had to cancel two of our rendezvous but with good reasons; she did contact me again; she offered to make it up to me)? Or am I just too blind to see that I'm just either in the dreaded "friend zone" or totally finished? So if she makes it up to me and sets everything up, would it be wise to tell her my true intentions -- I want to go out with her more, get to know her better and hopefully enter into a meaningful relationship with her? Expecting the worse but hoping for the best, if she doesn't feel the same way, then it's best that I move on.

In a bizarre twist, she finally sent me an SMS last Friday! We then exchanged a few messages about what we've been up to as of late. The next day, I asked her if she's free for lunch this Sunday. Instead, she invited me to join her and her friend that she was meeting later today. I agreed so she said she'll get back to me in a couple of hours for the details. As you have guessed, she sent me another SMS a few hours later saying our supposed meeting has now been cancelled! She said, "Sorry, were not pushing through today. I, unfortunately, fell asleep and overslept. My friend and I will just be staying in my house. We'll just do this next time." I then said, "I understand. Thanks anyway." She replied, "Sorry again, I'll make it up to you next time. Take care." So what's wrong with this picture? Is she just playing head games with me? Lastly, when she says she'll make it up to me, does she really mean it? Should I just keep silent and let her contact me after a few days? Man, this is starting to drag way too much!

Guys, I can see you point crystal clearly. However, there's one person that advised me otherwise -- there may be a very remote possibility that she's expecting me to contact her. So if I did, either I get lucky or get a clear cut message that it's totally over. Besides, if I'm indeed finished as all the signs say I am, then what really have I to lose? My dignity? Well, he just left town a while ago! I'd rather go down fighting a losing battle than to have it end like this. Yes, you can call me stupid but do wish me luck.

This is an example of desperate.......hell......SHE remembered you were supposed to be doing something else. I see you're point and agree with your logic about not contacting her at all. However, 4 days have now passed since we last communicated and she hasn't contacted me yet. Should I start to raise the white flag or give it one last hurrah? By this, I mean just sending her a casual SMS greeting asking how she is and letting her make the next move? Man, I just couldn't understand how things quickly turned from great to worse. *sigh*

You're right, I should've let her brought up the rescheduling. However, she did apologize, had a valid reason and agreed to meet me again so I guess it worked out well in the end. *fingers crossed* Our lunch date was supposed to be last Saturday. I'll now wait up to Thursday for her to reply. If I receive none, I'll send her an SMS that night as per your suggestion (i.e. you could just drop her a message asking how her paper, school work, etc are coming along. If she replies, that is good. If she replies and brings up getting together, that is better). Thanks for the advice.

When did I come accross as a bit too eager? How long should I wait for her to contact me?

Okay, I'll be patient and will do that. To the women here, how would you interpret her forgetting our date? Is this already a subtle sign for a red flag? Man, I'm somewhat gutted by this because I really liked her. Below is our actual SMS conversation, Her Hello! I'm so sorry I forgot to text you. It's only now that I remembered our lunch... because I have class for the whole day. Enjoy your lunch! Me It's alright. How about tomorrow then? Her But isn't tomorrow your "family day" (i.e. having lunch with my folks and siblings)? I also have to attend a Christening. Is it okay if we reschedule? Sorry again, it's just the wrong timing. Me You're right, I forgot about that for a second. Anyway, let's just reschedule it next week. So, when are you free? Her Okay, I'll just text you when. Thanks! I've been just really busy lately. Reserve me the stories from your trip. Me Okay, keep in touch. Thanks and have a nice weekend! Her You too. Take care always.

I've had two dates with this lady I met online. We met at a local restaurant in our first meeting. We had a great time, good conversation (for 4 hours) and she exhibited positive body language. After a few days, I asked her out for dinner and she agreed. Again, we had a good time. I drove her home and "temporarily" parked in front of her apartment building because I wanted to walk her to her door. She said I shouldn't bother because the elevator is just a few steps away but I insisted. As we were near the elevator, she told me I could come up next time and then she quickly leaned her cheek to me and I kissed her (more likely just brushed my face with her cheek because it caught me off guard). I then had to go out on a business trip for a week. The day after I came back, I asked her to join me for lunch on the weekend. She said she had a class that day but she'll text me in case she can make it. Well, today is this day and she sent me an SMS saying she was sorry that she totally forgot about it because she had class the whole day (normally, it's just a half-day) and she's been very busy all week. Though she did mention that we could reschedule and she apologized again. So I asked her when she's free the following week. She replied that she will send me an SMS when she's available. I'm trying to analyze what this could mean, 1) She really forgot about it? 2) She's just trying to test how I'll react (playing games / hard to get)? 3) She's starting to lose interest in me? Furthermore, I don't want to rely on her SMS (i.e. she'll be the one to setup the date) so I plan on asking her out again for dinner after a day. Do you think this is a wise move or should I just wait for her message?