This totally pisses me off......

[Bethany]

Well I got to say that *I* am a woman and *I* look at porn, have seen strippers and it IS what *I* do.

 

I understand why men feel so annoyed that women can't get over the fact that they are men, they are not women and it IS what 'some' men and if some women can't accept that it IS what men do DO, then the problems is more of a woman problem than a mans.

 

Don't take everything so personal, they are not doing it to annoy or upset you, they just don't think it's a big deal, like me. Get some self esteem, realise that just because a man looks at other women, doesn't mean he doesn't still love you or want you,... It IS just what 'some' men do.

[n83]

Get some self esteem? I didn't say I didn't have any.

 

Why does everyone think I have a problem with porn? Are you even reading my posts??

[PRSOV]

prs - what do you mean by this.. ?

 

It's "PRSOV" not prs... okay?

 

Look males like sex, we don't hide that fact... why women try to persecute us for a fact? It's natural and women feel exactly the same way, they just don't say so, well the majority anyway.

 

What do I mean? Females accuse men of:

 

* To be the cheating partner of infidelity in relationships.

* Spending too much time away from the family when they are working to put food on the table.

* Going out and having a good pissup with mates.

* Failing to take responsibility in regard to pregnancy, especially unplanned.

 

We don't gripe and complain about it, we just move on and keep doin what were doing, who care's if we admit we like sex... it is more a male thing to.

 

I honestly think your way overeacting to something so petty.

[Bethany]

Why is it that really rude behaviors are chalked down to "guy" behavior??

 

For example, it's perfectly okay for men to look at porn and ogle other women in front of their girlfriends because they're guys, and they're supposed to like sex and looking. (Apparently, as I was just told, it's also okay for men in a relationship to go to strip clubs and look at naked women, even get lap dances from them...because that's "just what guys do!")

 

Umm there. I just think that no one can make you feel inferior unless you let them and seeing as this IS a problem to you and very much pisses you off, then it seems it's more your problem than mens.they obviously have no problem with it, like me.

And YES, i have rwead your post or I wouldn't have replied. No need to get an attitude with me.

[itsallgrand]

Maybe you are hanging around with men that aren't good for you?

 

I hear what you saying. Sometimes, a man will excuse bad behavior by saying "I'm built that way. I'm a man. It's just how I am. It's just what men do. blah blah blah".

 

It's lame. It's annoying. It can get under a person's skin if you let it.

 

The others have already pointed out how women are equally prone to lame excuses etc. Of course.

 

You mentioned how you know a lot of men who do this (seemingly frequently) and even men who you are dating.

These dudes don't seem to do much for you. Keep an eye out for the ones who dont...there are a lot of them...and ignore these other ones.

 

Can't change people, but you can choose who to associate with.

[Mavh25]

I talked about this with a male friend and he did the usual "we're guys, we all do it" stuff. Then i asked what is it about it, thats so attractive, we went onto a few things and one of the main things for him was that he LOVED to see how angry his girlfriend gets at it, cos it makes him see how jealous she is over him.. and he likes it... cos he knows she wants him? what the heck lol i was like.... just get A POSTER!!

[n83]

Itsallgrand -

Actually I have heard this more from my male friends than exes ... either way it doesn't do anything for me Yeah I'm definitely avoiding guys that try to pull that line on me..

[Mavh25]

I have read all your responses to the OP and my goodness... you did TOTALLY miss her point.

 

All she was saying was that, yeah men watch porn so what? that was so far from her point, she knows not all men do it and she did not once say she was bothered by that in particular, she was just saying alot of the men she has spoken to, and quite alot on TV say that doing those kinds of things is "normal" and what guys do..... and woman are starting to become naive and believe this, when really...... they should have enough respect for themselves and say "hang on, no its not" and not accept it if its not something they are comfortable with. I believe

[n83]

Oye, I have a lot of quotes to do so I'll get started ...

 

who care's if we admit we like sex... it is more a male thing to.

 

OK, you just proved my point by saying that. It is NOT more of a male thing to. GAHHHH!!!!

 

I just think that no one can make you feel inferior unless you let them and seeing as this IS a problem to you and very much pisses you off

 

Again, you are jumping the gun. I do not feel inferior to anyone, and porn does not piss me off. In fact, I think women should be more open to porn, especially those having problems with their sex lives..and maybe if more women looked porn, I wouldn't be hearing that "IT'S 'MORE OF A MALE THING"!!!!

[n83]

I have read all your responses to the OP and my goodness... you did TOTALLY miss her point.

 

All she was saying was that, yeah men watch porn so what? that was so far from her point, she knows not all men do it and she did not once say she was bothered by that in particular, she was just saying alot of the men she has spoken to, and quite alot on TV say that doing those kinds of things is "normal" and what guys do..... and woman are starting to become naive and believe this, when really...... they should have enough respect for themselves and say "hang on, no its not" and not accept it if its not something they are comfortable with. I believe

 

 

THANK YOU GRRR!! YOU ARE TOTALLY GETTING IT woot woot!!!!!

 

it's not just that women may be uncomfortable with it.. it's also that women like sex and porn and all that stuff too, it's not a one way street, but unfortunately many women are inhibited about caring for their sexuality (whereas porn/sex/strip clubs/libido are often seen as the men's domain)

[DN]

There is no reason why anyone should have to accept a behaviour in others that they find morally or ethically wrong. But that is not the same thing as trying to impose that belief on other people. It doesn't matter why some men look at porn - they just do and it is their right to do it if they wish.

 

What I find offensive is when a behaviour or interest is characterised as 'male' and thereforeeee wrong or 'female' and thereforeeee wrong and that the other gender has some sort of intrinsic right to claim the moral high ground over it. Especially when that behaviour or interest isn't exclusive to one gender or the other in the first place.

[n83]

DN

 

You're getting warmer.. See, I am offended as well when a behavior is characterised as "male" or "female". Neither gender has a moral "highground", and porn/strip clubs arent WRONG. Again, I just don't want to be told that it SHOULD be acceptable for a guy to go to a strip club just because he's a guy. That's ALL I'M SAYING. Read NO MORE into that than what is there.

 

It doesn't matter why some men look at porn - they just do and it is their right to do it if they wish

 

Agreed, it SHOULDNT matter, but if they are going to do it anyways, wives and girlfriends deserve a little more respect than hearing that they're going to a strip club (for example) because it's a "normal" thing guys do.

[DN]

I think you are getting warmer too - if you would agree that men deserve a little more respect when their wives and girlfriends make no bones about going to a male strip club?

[n83]

DN

I think everyone should go to a strip club and get a lap dance

[DN]

link removed LOL - I don't think I want a lap-dance from a male stripper!! But thanks anyway!!

[n83]

NONO you can have a female stripper

I'll get the male stripper ... unless I have PMS, that is.. I might be too cranky for a stripper then

[DN]

OK - but I'll have to check with my wife first. link removed

[n83]

LOOOOOOOL See?! You can bring her with you! Couples' night out.

 

Say DN, I just saw that you live in ontario. I am driving there in a few hours! And I haven't slept all night!!!

[rose2summer]

Here's my opinion,

Woman tend to be more outspoken. We tend to express ourselves more, communicate about our feelings, hash out our thoughts, but we have been ingrained that strip clubs/porn are not feminine, so fewer women will brag about going to a strip club.

 

Men tend to be more of the high five slap with the guys. They are usually raised to believe that showing too many emotions, expressing themselves, makes them weak, so their idea of showing their masculinity is to spend a night with the guys at the strip club.

 

These are the USUALS, not saying a majority or minority, here just my observations, and ideas from books I have read or communications classes I have taken.

[n83]

True Rose2 summer.. but it seems that things are (somewhat slowly) changing, more women are now open to the idea of strip clubs, porn, and sleazy cheap fun

[DN]

LOOOOOOOL See?! You can bring her with you! Couples' night out.

 

Say DN, I just saw that you live in ontario. I am driving there in a few hours! And I haven't slept all night!!!

I'll make sure to stay off the roads then

[rose2summer]

Yes, I agree times are definitely changing, but I don't see men changing the idea that it's ok to express their emotions and cry and accept the fact that women don't consider them weak if they do. I have yet to meet one who does that.

 

I know if I found a man who could express his emotions well and cry, I would be in love and married by now!

 

I know many women who are open to going to strip clubs but the problem is that they don't many others, especially men, that they did, because men tend to fray on it.

[n83]

DN- Good call. Ugh.

 

Rose2- If you think about it, at no other point in human history have men and women been so close to equal in so much of the world.. you never know how much things can change!

 

P.S. centuries ago, fashion was demonstrated by the Queen plucking out her eyelashes and shaving her forehead back a few inches. Don't try this to get a date, it is no longer cool. Things change.

[rose2summer]

Although woman and men may be equal in the workplace, despite disparities in income that still exist, I don't find men have changed in expressing emotions. The man still wants to be the protector of the woman, so he doesn't want to show weakness. Do you notice that or is it just me?

[DN]

As a matter of historical interest Queen Victoria liked to draw and collect male nudes and even gave her husband one as a present (Source: Peter Gay; The Bourgeois Experience: Victoria to Freud.)