Emotional support group Covid19

[Seraphim]

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[Seraphim]

Today a year ago the first case of COVID19 was confirmed in Canada and now we have had over 750,000 cases in a year . And over 19,000 deaths. 😓

[ApocalypseDreams]

Well, it finally happened here after 10 months of no community spread cases.

A security guard at one of the quarantine hotels tested positive. The state government has put us into a 5 day lockdown since Sunday. Fortunately, as of yet, none of the people he has been in close contact with has tested positive.

Hopefully, a swift lockdown and good contact tracing will mean that they've got on top of this fast enough and a 5 day lockdown will be all that is required. 

[Seraphim]

44 minutes ago, ApocalypseDreams said:

Well, it finally happened here after 10 months of no community spread cases.

A security guard at one of the quarantine hotels tested positive. The state government has put us into a 5 day lockdown since Sunday. Fortunately, as of yet, none of the people he has been in close contact with has tested positive.

Hopefully, a swift lockdown and good contact tracing will mean that they've got on top of this fast enough and a 5 day lockdown will be all that is required. 

I hope so. We have been on a lockdown and stay at home order since Dec 26,2020. Mind you are cases have come down from 4000 a day to 1800 now. 

[Cheetarah]

My mom got her first dose of the Moderna over the weekend.  She said aside from arm soreness and fatigue which is fading , she feels good.  She said the fatigue was pretty potent for 2 days.  
 

She was pretty nervous to get it, because of an anaphylactic response to a medication about 5 years ago.  But she went to one of the public health sites run by the national guard  and they have longer wait rooms for people with allergies where a nurse watches you like a hawk for an extended period of time.  She said it was so organized, heavily staffed and she felt really safe.  
 

I’m eager to get mine, but it will be a couple more months.  

[Seraphim]

58 minutes ago, Cheetarah said:

My mom got her first dose of the Moderna over the weekend.  She said aside from arm soreness and fatigue which is fading , she feels good.  She said the fatigue was pretty potent for 2 days.  
 

She was pretty nervous to get it, because of an anaphylactic response to a medication about 5 years ago.  But she went to one of the public health sites run by the national guard  and they have longer wait rooms for people with allergies where a nurse watches you like a hawk for an extended period of time.  She said it was so organized, heavily staffed and she felt really safe.  
 

I’m eager to get mine, but it will be a couple more months.  

That is great!

[maritalbliss86]

On 1/24/2021 at 3:56 PM, Seraphim said:

Surely they had immunity from getting the disease in the first place. 

Herd immunity used to include a certain number of the population being exposed to the virus (and either getting it or overcoming it and not even knowing their body was exposed to it).  I noticed they changed the definition recently to mean only a certain population vaccinated.  This one virus is different in that it mutates like the flu does (rapidly) so even though someone has had the flu one year, they can have another strain at a later time, even during the same year. 

I think some studies have shown though that you can have a better immune response to some strains when you've been exposed to another, so immunity should be thought of as more of a spectrum.  But yes, once you're exposed you should have some immunity (and possibly total immunity) to that specific strain, although it may vary and I don't think anyone really knows yet.

[Seraphim]

8 minutes ago, maritalbliss86 said:

Herd immunity used to include a certain number of the population being exposed to the virus (and either getting it or overcoming it and not even knowing their body was exposed to it).  I noticed they changed the definition recently to mean only a certain population vaccinated.  This one virus is different in that it mutates like the flu does (rapidly) so even though someone has had the flu one year, they can have another strain at a later time, even during the same year. 

I think some studies have shown though that you can have a better immune response to some strains when you've been exposed to another, so immunity should be thought of as more of a spectrum.  But yes, once you're exposed you should have some immunity (and possibly total immunity) to that specific strain, although it may vary and I don't think anyone really knows yet.

For sure that is why they have 3 or 4 strain vaccination for flu all the time because they never know what is going to pop up . I have had influenza A but I am not sure how long natural immunity lasts . I am gathering not long if we are immunized yearly. 

[maritalbliss86]

26 minutes ago, Seraphim said:

I have had influenza A but I am not sure how long natural immunity lasts . I am gathering not long if we are immunized yearly

I can't remember all the details, but I believe studies have shown that you have some boosted immunity once you've had it (the flu).  But the reason why we're vaccinated yearly is due to how fast it mutates and how it can be a totally new strain that's unknown.  Largely the vaccines are actually based on guesswork, hoping it will fight the newly mutated strains.  It's insanely hard, that's why so many people continue to get the flu, even after getting vaccinated in prior years.  But again, immunity is more like a spectrum in that it really has shown that even just having it boosts your immunity (to some amount of degree that varies to none or a lot) when you're exposed again.

[maritalbliss86]

There's just a lot of conflicting studies showing different results though... 

Here's this one that contradicts what you'd think would naturally happen in the body's immune response (but kind of makes logical sense that pumping oneself full of synthetic vaccinations each year, may actually backfire in ways not understandable yet):

https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/11/flu-shots-reduce-effectiveness/

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The evidence, which is confounding some researchers, suggests that getting flu shots repeatedly can gradually reduce the effectiveness of the vaccines under some circumstances.

That finding is worrying public health officials in the US, who have been urging everyone to get a flu shot each year — and who still believe an annual vaccination is better than skipping the vaccines altogether.

 

Dr. Edward Belongia is among the scientists who have seen the picture coming into focus. He and some colleagues at Wisconsin’s Marshfield Clinic Research Foundation reported recently that children who had been vaccinated annually over a number of years were more likely to contract the flu than kids who were only vaccinated in the season in which they were studied.

“The vaccine was significantly more effective … if they had not been vaccinated in the previous five years,” Belongia, an epidemiologist, recounted in a recent interview with STAT.

 

[maritalbliss86]

This is straight from the NIH (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870374/) explaining how naturally occurring infections are known to provide much longer lasting immunity (years or even decades), compared to the problem of vaccinations only providing 6 months to up to only a year of immunity:

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A major drawback of influenza vaccination lies in the fact that the immunity it elicits, mainly based on neutralizing antibodies directed against the surface haemagglutinin and neuraminidase proteins, declines rapidly. The inactivated influenza vaccine provides protective levels of serum antibodies specific to the vaccine strains and lasting between 6 and 12 months [15, 16]. The live-attenuated vaccine also enhances local IgA responses [17, 18] and human leucocyte antigen (HLA)-restricted virus-specific cytotoxic T lymphocyte (CTL) activity in healthy [19] and older adults [20]. The live-attenuated vaccine has been shown to provide a substantial degree of protection against a variant not closely matched to the vaccine antigen [21]; but how long this protection persists is not known. Vaccination must be updated yearly, in order to take into account the genetic/antigenic evolution of wild-type influenza viruses.

Contrary to immunity elicited by influenza vaccination, naturally acquired immunity can provide long-lasting protection against subsequent infection by the same viral subtype [22, 23]. For example, when the A(H1N1) virus re-emerged in 1977 after 20 years, people who had been exposed to the virus before 1957 were much less susceptible to infection than those born after 1957 [24]. This long-term protection against influenza viruses of the same type or subtype may be partly due to selection of cross-reactive CTL targeting epitopes on a wide variety of internal proteins [25–27

 

[dias]

29 minutes ago, maritalbliss86 said:

There's just a lot of conflicting studies showing different results though... 

Here's this one that contradicts what you'd think would naturally happen in the body's immune response (but kind of makes logical sense that pumping oneself full of synthetic vaccinations each year, may actually backfire in ways not understandable yet):

https://www.statnews.com/2015/11/11/flu-shots-reduce-effectiveness/

 

I don't know what scientifically makes sense but based on common sense it makes sense lol...drugs are like every other substance..like coffee...the more often you drink the less effective it is.

[Seraphim]

11 minutes ago, maritalbliss86 said:

This is straight from the NIH (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870374/) explaining how naturally occurring infections are known to provide much longer lasting immunity (years or even decades), compared to the problem of vaccinations only providing 6 months to up to only a year of immunity:

 

It maybe so but I have no interest in getting the flu again. I was bed ridden for 9 days and had about 4 secondary infections and it killed my grandfather because he got double pneumonia. 

[maritalbliss86]

Right, Seraphim, I'm so sorry 😞  that's why it's always been encouraged for people over age 65.   If they get it, the pneumonia (or virus itself) can turn deadly very quickly.

This article was looking at the necessity (and encouragement) of vaccinations from 6 months old babies to 65 (yearly vaccinations built up overtime in these people) and finding it to cause potential, "severe," long-term health crises (and financial expense) for the elderly in those populations.  It's interesting...

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The possible benefits of vaccinating children after 5 years of age, and otherwise healthy adults – particularly over a long period and mainly for economic reasons – could be outweighed by severe clinical consequences and increased costs in the elderly.

This is solely due to differences between vaccine-induced immunity and naturally acquired immunity, and not to declining immune responses to vaccination in old age. These findings may have important implications for influenza vaccination policies and encourage long-term survey of annually vaccinated individuals.

Of course they usually deem it, "unethical," to perform the necessary long-term surveys and studies to understand this.  So even though this was shown in this NIH study back in 2005-2006, it was never studied further that I can find.

[Seraphim]

Here they encourage anyone who can be vaccinated should be for anything possible . I was never vaccinated for the flu before I was like 46. I had also never had the flu before that time. Then I got the flu and holy hell you can bet I will be vaccinated for that. I don’t think I was ever so sick in my life. 
My husband is vaccinated for everything under the sun but Japanese encephalitis . But that’s the military they will vaccinate you for anything and everything. 

[maritalbliss86]

7 minutes ago, dias said:

I don't know what scientifically makes sense but based on common sense it makes sense lol...drugs are like every other substance..like coffee...the more often you drink the less effective it is.

It really seems insanely complicated... sometimes it affects it in a positive way, boosting immunity (positive interference), and then sometimes they've recorded what scientists have termed, "negative interference," where it (the anti-bodies) seem to counter and neutral the immunity from the new vaccines.  And it somehow depends on the genetics of the virus compared to the new strain genetics, then also compared to the genetics of the vaccinations.... 

And then we know people all have individual immune responses (and genetics that determine those responses) that vary to seemingly minor differing degrees (it seems at least... we know that some people who had ancestors exposed to the Bubonic plague have actually shown mysterious resistance to certain illnesses, and none of that is exactly understood... my theory is that it probably comes from the DNA in their mitochondria that we know is passed down for centuries).  

Even scientists really don't understand what was happening, and then it was deemed, "unethical," to probe more with the necessary long-term studies to figure out why on earth negative or positive interference seems to happen with yearly vaccinations causing them to be less or more effective, so we may never really know 🤷‍♀️.

[Cheetarah]

For people interested in vaccine experiences...

 

As I said, my mom got the first moderna  last weekend.  She had some heavy fatigue for 2 days along with mild to moderate arm soreness for about 4.  Her symptoms have totally resolved.  She’s 70. 
 

My fiancée got the Pfizer first dose yesterday.  She complained of an immediate headache which, while mild, felt something like a sinus pressure.  She woke me up in the middle of the night moaning from aches.  She also has a low grade fever, still a headache and moderate injection site soreness.  Also, the same fatigue.  She said the body aches feel very similar to those you get with the flu.  She’s 45. 
 

I find it interesting as studies have pointed to younger people(as in not the elderly) experience more side effects. I have them both signed up for the vsafe which is a post vaccine symptom tracker in the US through the CDC.  

 

 

[Seraphim]

Sounds like when I get it I will have to shut down for a few days. 

[boltnrun]

I had a hepatitis vaccine years ago.  Holy cow did I get sick!  I felt worse than I did when I had Covid!  I remember I had to go on a job interview while I was sick from the vaccine and I almost fainted.  Just awful!

I recently had a flu shot and a shingles vaccine on the same day.  The shingles vaccine bothered me way more than the flu shot.  My arm hurt and itched like crazy!

But I am a big fan of vaccines.  When it's (finally) my turn I will try to schedule it on a Friday so I can have the weekend to recover.

I did read that it might be possible that people who already had Covid will only need one of the two shots.  That would be great!  But I'll do whatever the experts advise because I do NOT want to get Covid again!

[maritalbliss86]

8 hours ago, Cheetarah said:

For people interested in vaccine experiences...

 

My husband has known quite a few fellow coworkers who have gotten the first dose, and most of them had some side effects, but nothing too abnormal.  One had side effects so bad she had to take a strong medication (that impaired her ability to do her job) just to control the side effects.  

And the second dose is supposed to be even more powerful in producing more illness/side effects.  But everyone's different.

[Wiseman2]

Why do I keep seeing/hearing ads for cruises? 😣

[boltnrun]

19 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Why do I keep seeing/hearing ads for cruises? 😣

There's one cruise line whose commercial keeps repeating the words "FREE!" and "FREEDOM!"  

You just know what group they are marketing to.

[Wiseman2]

16 minutes ago, boltnrun said:

You just know what group they are marketing to.

Idiots? 😝 A billion dollars wouldn't get me on one of those.💰🚢

[boltnrun]

5 minutes ago, Wiseman2 said:

Idiots? 😝 A billion dollars wouldn't get me on one of those.💰🚢

But you have the RIGHT to travel if you want to!!!  You'll travel if you believe in FREEDOM!!! 😜

I've seen some people posting videos complaining about wanting to go to Disneyland and mean old California governor won't open it up!!!  And they want to go party in Vegas but mean old Nevada governor will only open up the hotels and casinos to 25% capacity!  And stupid mask regulations!  How dare they expect them to care for one another!!!  They believe in FREEDOM!!

A cruise ship is one big cesspool of infection.  It's not surprising (except to those who choose to travel on a cruise) that EVERY SINGLE TIME they've tried a "trial cruise" they've had to turn around and go back to port because someone on the ship had Covid.  Hand sanitizer and temperature checks and filling out forms does NOT prevent the spread of Covid!

Urgh!

In other news, it's beautiful outside today.  I'm going to head out and enjoy some of this sunshine.  Safely, of course!

[Wiseman2]

Official attendance expected for Super Bowl LV: 25,000 fans

Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, Fl...

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