employment issues and dilemmas

[kathy679]

Hi, I am in a job at the moment where i have been left dangling for the last 6 months as to wether i am being kept on or not.

I have another job to go to in a weeks time and I'm not sure if i should just leave or not? I'm supposed to give a months notice but I haven't handed in my notice yet because i wasn't sure if this job was keeping me.

I arranged a meeting with my boss yesterday and i asked him if he was keeping me on. He said he still didn't know. which is making me feel really frustrated.

Shall i just leave for this new job and give my current job a weeks notice?

the new job is more secure and less responsibilities, its also less money but still enough to survive on. The new job is also further to travel but i can stay at a friends during the week, as its near his house.

 

what shall i do? i am not happy where i am, but if i stay and they keep me on it s a better career progression. what shall i do?

[1a1a]

I think assess the current job, on it's current behaviour. Since you say you aren't happy in the current one I say go. If the new one is no good, you can always hunt for another.

[kathy679]

No I'm not happy. All he has done is string me along saying he doesn't no if he will keep me but never giving me an answer as to whether I'm staying or he is letting me go. He also takes his bad moods out on everyone and no one else i feel really resentful and im not happy either, so it's not a great environment for me to be in.

This means that I will be giving them no notice but leaving and going straight to another job. I don't no if they can take any action against me for that. Do you know if they can?

[Wiseman2]

Your livelihood should not be in limbo. Everyone has bills, responsibilities, etc. Yeah go enjoy the new job!

the new job is more secure and less responsibilities, its also less money but still enough to survive on. The new job is also further to travel but i can stay at a friends during the week, as its near his house.

[kathy679]

I know it's not fair at all. He said six months ago it was 50/50 as to whether he was keeping me on and still has given me no answer. I don't feel valued or appreciated here at all. Maybe I will write a letter to the person above him and explain why I'm leaving with no notice. talking to my colleagues, no one is happy because of the way he treats people and no one wants to work with a manager like that. If he's in a bad mood everyone cop's it. Maybe it's time to just leave. I'll have to give them zero notice so I hope my colleagues understand but it's not busy at the moment so it won't matter too much

[Wiseman2]

No never a good idea to send a disgruntled letter or include that in resignation letter. Those are records that follow you around and look bad on you, not them. It makes you look like the crank, no matter how awful the place was in reality.

 

Just send the standard resignation letter with all the usual polite rhetoric.

Maybe I will write a letter to the person above him and explain why I'm leaving with no notice.

[ParisPaulette]

You need to line up another job and go. And as to a month's notice, is that in a contract? Because if it isn't you are actually under no obligation to stay with someone who has jerked you around and been a bad boss. Just pointing that you can simply say, "Well, I'm gone at the end of the week and/or two weeks and/or whenever."

 

But no, you don't owe this guy anything. My guess is he knows you're a good employee, but he's doing a version of manipulating you into putting up with his crap by holding a "you can lose your job with me any second." over your head to keep you anxious and intimidated. Which means he's a terrible boss who has no idea how to run a company and keep his personal "I was bullied as a kid or I was a bully and now I've simply taken my game to an office instead a playground" crap out of it.

 

Start looking for another job, today. And if you find a good one and they say they need you to start right away explain to them it will upset your boss, but he's going to be doing layoffs anyways so you'll be there tomorrow. Then go.

 

This is after all business, not personal life. I'm going to tell you one thing in business is you need to look out for yourself and not owe "loyalty" to those employers and companies who mistreat you. And yes, telling someone that you may be let go at any moment constantly is mistreatment. Total just absolute crap management style designed to keep you under this guy's foot and afraid to stand up for yourself or say no to anything for fear of losing your job.

 

P.S. He's not going to give you a good job review any which way you cut it most likely, so a simple well there was company talk of downsizing, and I've wanted to expand my job experience anyways, so it seems like a good time to do that" if asked is all you need to say. It you can get or have any sort of recommendations or thank yous from clients or other people you work with gather those quietly. They can help.

 

P.P.S. Don't send a letter to the person above him. They'll figure it out when people keep walking off the job and if they don't have enough of a pulse on their business to trust someone like that then frankly there's probably likely something wrong with them too. Good businesses tend not to let bullies get put in charge or stay in charge unless they have a problem with it themselves. And a letter can come back to bite you in the butt.

 

A simple, "I have no idea why that person is upset with me. The clients were always happy with my work, as you can see." Be sure to vet any names or other information if you go that route.

[kathy679]

I have another job Paris paulete, I can start it in a weeks time. I'm supposed to give a months notice but the way I feel I may just leave with a days notice. He's such a bully of a boss. Once he had a go at me for eating in the office, but everyone eats in there. They did before he told me off and they still do. When I told him I didn't no I was not allowed to eat in the room (I was new then) he said eat in the canteen. If I new the rules it would have been Ok I wouldn't have eaten in there. But it's not the rules as everyone eats in there . He just singled me out. He's such an awful boss. Who uses his power to control people . No one is happy, but he holds all the power so what can we all do?

 

I've had a good boss before and I know what a good boss is like. And he is not a good boss who gets the best out of his staff

 

Ok wise man I won't send that. I just thought it was a good idea for others who still work there but I no its always the employee who gets made to look bad.

 

Yes it's a months notice in the contract, however I haven't handed my notice in because I was waiting for him to decide whether to keep me. But my probation is up next wednesday so he has to give me an answer and my new job starts Thursday so I may just walk and send them an email telling them I'm gone and not coming back. So zero notice

[nutbrownhare]

Go to your new job, but write your current boss the most gracious resignation letter in the history of letter writing. If you haven't finished your probationary period then the normal rules of engagement don't necessarily apply - for example, how much notice would he be required to give you?

 

Tell him how much you have enjoyed being there, how much you have learned and how much more confident you now feel - and thank him for the opportunity you had there. But also explain that job security is very important to you, and that this is something he's been unable to offer for reasons beyond his control. So you are taking the position which has been offered to you and will not be returning after your probationary period comes to an end on Wednesday.

 

Whatever you do will have repercussions in the future - so why not make your reputation a positive one?

[reinventmyself]

Your current employer can't expect a months notice if they can't give you a definite answer so you can plan accordingly.

I understand you would prefer to for you own personal integrity and work ethic but they aren't giving you many choices.

Bottom line is you aren't staying at this job. Give them notice now and get your ducks in order.

Typical and reasonable notice is two weeks. A month is unreasonable.

Withholding information is unreasonable as well.

[kathy679]

Go to your new job, but write your current boss the most gracious resignation letter in the history of letter writing. If you haven't finished your probationary period then the normal rules of engagement don't necessarily apply - for example, how much notice would he be required to give you?

 

Tell him how much you have enjoyed being there, how much you have learned and how much more confident you now feel - and thank him for the opportunity you had there. But also explain that job security is very important to you, and that this is something he's been unable to offer for reasons beyond his control. So you are taking the position which has been offered to you and will not be returning after your probationary period comes to an end on Wednesday.

 

Whatever you do will have repercussions in the future - so why not make your reputation a positive one?

 

This is exactly what I will write, thank you for giving me some good things to write in my resignation.

 

It's supposed to be a months notice from either side, even although it's still my probation, but I feel like just leaving as I feel I owe them nothing. I will mention everything you have said though.thanks

[nutbrownhare]

This is exactly what I will write, thank you for giving me some good things to write in my resignation.

 

It's supposed to be a months notice from either side, even although it's still my probation, but I feel like just leaving as I feel I owe them nothing. I will mention everything you have said though.thanks

 

Good luck with your new job. You may have to swallow quite hard whilst writing a nice letter to a boss who's made things very difficult for you (to put it politely!), but it's always as well not to leave behind something that could bite you on the bum some time in the future!

[ParisPaulette]

Excellent advice from nutbrownhare.

[kathy679]

I know thanks nut brown hare, I will take your brilliant advice it's spot on