Lonewing Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 Now there's Some truth to what you say, but you're still missing the point entirely. You're still trying to convice yourself that you can have Too Much of one thing and it won't affect you. Thanks to your proding, I went deeper into the differneces between glucose, fructose, and sucrose. From what I see, to use one fructose, your body needs one glucose. Let us suppose for discussion sakes 200 weight sucrose [disaccharid] is similar to 100 weight fructose [monosaccharide] and 100 weight gluecose [monosacharid] together. Let us suppose that we are consuming 200 weight sucrose, and we have health issues because in reality, we should only be consuming 100 weight sucrose. You propose that we cut out the 200 weight surcose [because sucrose is the Evil Bad] and substitute in 200 weight fructose. Here's the health issues related to each basic type of sugar, from this site removed[/i] Sucrose: Sucrose has been linked with some adverse health effects. The most common is tooth decay, in which bacteria in the mouth turn convert sucrose in food producing acids that attack tooth enamel. Sucrose has a high food energy content and in a poorly managed diet can contribute to obesity. People with diabetes mellitus need to control their intake of sucrose along with the other carbohydrates. Fructose: Fructose depends on glucose to carry it into the blood stream via GLUT-5 and then GLUT-2 (Buchs et al 1998 ). Absorption of fructose without glucose present is very poor, and excess fructose is carried into the lower intestine where it provides nutrients for the existing flora, which produce gas. It may also cause water retention in the intestine. These effects may lead to bloating, excessive flatulence, loose stools, and even diarrhea depending on the amounts eaten and other factors. Fructose is implicated in producing obesity (Elliott et al 2002), elevated LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, leading to metabolic syndrome. Fructose also chelates minerals in the blood. This effect is especially important with micronutrients such as copper, chromium and zinc. Since these solutes are normally present in small quantities, chelation of small numbers of ions may lead to deficiency diseases, immune system impairment and even insulin resistance, a component of type II diabetes (Higdon). Fructose is a reducing sugar, as are all monosaccharides. However, it is considered approximately ten times more active (McPherson et al 1988 ) in the formation of glycations than glucose so consumption should be limited in order to limit the consequent glycation-related damage to cellular and molecular function. This may be an important contribution to senescence and many age-related chronic diseases (Levi & Werman 1998 ). Gluecose: Glucose is a ubiquitous fuel in biology. We can speculate on the reasons why glucose, and not another monosaccharide such as fructose, is so widely used. Glucose can form from formaldehyde under abiotic conditions, so it may well have been available to primitive biochemical systems. Probably more important to advanced life is the low tendency of glucose, by comparison to other hexose sugars, to nonspecifically react with the amino groups of proteins. This reaction (glycosylation) reduces or destroys the function of many enzymes. The low rate of glycosylation is due to glucose's preference for the less reactive cyclic isomer. Nevertheless, many of the long-term complications of diabetes (e.g., blindness, kidney failure, and peripheral neuropathy) are probably due to the glycosylation of proteins. So in ohterwords, now we have 200 weight Fructose, which our body can't use [very well] without glucose. So it just passes through, right? Wrong. Too much Fructose is just as bad as either too much Glucose or too much Sucrose! You'll still end up sick, just a different kind of sick! Do you see the common denominator here? It's not Sucrose, Fructose, or Glucose - even though this is the conclusion so many jump to as they reach fo the artificial sweetners. These three basic sugars are the foundation fo rour enrgy pyramid that run all life systems. The root problem is Too MUCH! In other words, You exchange one set of health problems as caused by too much glucose, or sucrose, for another set of health problems caused by too much fructose, or complex carbs, or fats, or proteins. Reduce the amount you consume outright, properly rebalance your diet, and your health issues will go away. In some cases, our consumption of one thing [Moutnain Dew, or Diet Coke or Coffee], is driven by our pursuit of Caffiene. One a day may be fine, and if you're a long term Caffeine drinker, not having your caffeine means you're operating at a mental level one step below where you would if you had never had it in the first place - National Geographic highlighted this point on the subject in the January 2005 issue, republished here: link removed; it's a fascinating read. Now when we find that our one cup or one can a day no longer works so well, what do we do? We add another can, another two cans, when in reality, what we perhaps SHOULD be doing is dedicating another hour or two hours to simply getting more sleep the night before. Sleeping 7-8 hours a night, versus sleeping 5-6 hours, makes a light year of difference! By not getting the right amounts of the right things, we add more of the wrong things - we then build our caffeine dependency while adding to our sugar/chemical overabundance [from each cup we drink] and what kind of sweetener used in that cup. We fool ourselves and believe we can do more by taking more of one thing and getting less of the other. Wrong. We'll lose every single time, in the long run. In searching for the exact reference for that caffeine article, I came accross this report by that author. Take a good hard look at the 'Worst" column. link removed That's EXACTLY where our problem lies - it's not consumption itself, but rather, over consumption, imbalance, and too much of a "good thing." Correct the imbalance, and you'll find you can actually enjoy a far broader diet, versus these crank diets of "No sugars" or "nocarbs" or "low protien." The crank diets all fail because in the long run, you will go back to eating What you ate before, and you WANT those foods. So enjoy them - and enjoy them more by understanding that if you eat less when you do enjoy them, you'll enjoy them more by not having the weight gain/health issues afterwards that come with eating too much. And like I said, if you HAVE to munch on something because you just have to have your jaws moving, grab celery. You'll still get sugar, but it's far less than you'll get grabbing anything else! Best thing to do is to simply stop snacking so much in the first place. Link to comment
Angler Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 You're still trying to convice yourself that you can have Too Much of one thing and it won't affect you. You propose that we cut out the 200 weight surcose [because sucrose is the Evil Bad] and substitute in 200 weight fructose. WHAT!? When? Please quote me accordingly. I propose NOT eating HFCS and not eating aspartame.... Link to comment
Angler Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 These three basic sugars are the foundation fo rour enrgy pyramid that run all life systems. The root problem is Too MUCH! In other words, You exchange one set of health problems as caused by too much glucose, or sucrose, for another set of health problems caused by too much fructose, or complex carbs, or fats, or proteins. Reduce the amount you consume outright, properly rebalance your diet, and your health issues will go away. Too much fat & protein will not screw up your metabolism. The human body has absolutely no need to consume carbohydrates - this is a fact. Your liver synthesizes glucose as required in the absence of dietary sugars. Link to comment
Lonewing Posted October 4, 2012 Share Posted October 4, 2012 The simple sugars are the most efficient and easiest to use sugars in existence - there's a place for them, in every balanced diet. You just have to learn How Much is the right amount. Too much fat in your diet leads directly to heart problems and overweight issue.... Too much protein leads to kidney issues, siezures... Getting it yet? In any case, too much of any one thing and your body takes the rest it cannot use and turns it into fat. If you have the right balance of nutrition, you body uses all of it, but if you eat too much of everything in balance, again, you will get FAT. Too Much of Anything, Everything, Something and even Nothing [twinkies, 0-cal sweetener] is bad for you. Those things that are synthetically created [as opposed to naturally derived] are in general all bad for you, more akin to drugs than actual foods. We have between 500 and 50,000 years of physical evidence behind the natural varieties; we have as little as 10 and 40 years behind the unnatural deriviatives, and yet they keep showing positively terrible effects in as little as 10 or 25 years withint he system. Hence, don't touch them. But HFCS, it's simply condensed corn sugar. Corn and corn sugar are not bad for you, until you start consuming volumes above what is Moderation. Find moderation, and you can enjoy sugar for the rest of your life. Ignore it and you end up with diabetes, which could hinder even having sugar for the rest of your life. Link to comment
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