Death.

[rahulrocks]

What is death ? The body stops functioning, gets hardened and all. But what is it that dies? The answers lies in knowing what is it that lives ? At the poing we can only assume about what would happen when death approaches us, a better thing would be to investigat what is it that lives ?

So wht is it that lives ? Who is th thinker ? in what does thought happen ? have we not forgotten ourselves in thinking ?

 

Let me observe this may for a day and so and lets see if i find who is living ?

[bichin]

As a pragmatist I am unwilling to trade my current consciousness for an indeterminate state of being. My answer is to explore life, not death.

[TwelveThirty]

Are you looking for an answer?

 

There is in fact more than one; there is the scientific version, which states something close to: losing cerebral and nerval activity.

 

Or the religious one: losing your soul, which is supported in some form of science because the body apparently loses .5 lb when it dies.

 

Or finally, there is the one that you wish to give it; that death is the opposite of life, and life is a combination of thoughts and movement. Although I would like to correct, according to my own belief: animals don't think.

 

It's a topic that's still debatable even at this point of our existence, in the 21st century. A justice system has been established for the purpose of taking all decisions related to life and death to a fair standard and logic.

 

P.S: "I think, therefore I am" probably summarizes it all in a very easy (yet complicated) way.

[rahulrocks]

@bichin :

Death is a fact which everyone has to encounter at some point or the other. People in the past o tried to explore into that. Some belived in the o continuity an d some in the soul concept. Everyone is afraid of death from inside its a deferrent fact that some are aware of it and some or not.

[bichin]

@rahulrocks : I am not afraid of death and you are completely correct that someday I will be compelled through dying to explore it. I am afraid of the process of dying and hope I go quickly and painlessly. Whatever happens after that is not happening now. Examining death further is for me a waste of living.

[TwelveThirty]

Is there any proof that everyone is afraid of death? What makes it so? Or why? There should be an answer to everything, and as a matter of fact, I'm sure there has been some given at some point, but it's not fear that led those questions to be interrupted or nullified, I think that it's rather incertainty. The incertainty that we fear as much as death itself.

[rahulrocks]

Are you looking for an answer?

 

Or finally, there is the one that you wish to give it; that death is the opposite of life, and life is a combination of thoughts and movement. Although I would like to correct, according to my own belief: animals don't think.

 

P.S: "I think, therefore I am" probably summarizes it all in a very easy (yet complicated) way.

 

 

Well the "I " thought could be totally fictious. It could be the imagination. So the statement by Descarte "I think therefore I am" is true as well as false, its true in the sense that the fictious I thought is becuse of thinking, if there is no thouth then there is no "I". But its false in the sense that even if you are not thinking you still are. Thats why its incorrect to assume and relate life with thinking. See you can not be thought as there is a background needed for thought to be. You are probably this background.

 

Yes I have perhaps come to hint to my answer, which is there is a background for noise to be, there is a background for thought to exist, there is a background for the information received by senses.

But this background is not aware of its own existence, how can it be aware of something which is not outside of it.

The core error of humanity is to create this fictious psycholo;gical entity in the form of I which is totally based on thought.

Death of this entity is a must for life to be.

[rahulrocks]

Is there any proof that everyone is afraid of death? What makes it so? Or why? There should be an answer to everything, and as a matter of fact, I'm sure there has been some given at some point, but it's not fear that led those questions to be interrupted or nullified, I think that it's rather incertainty. The incertainty that we fear as much as death itself.

Well there are hints, take for instance a simple argument between two people, each one sticking to his own opinion nd fighting with the other, sometimes it becomes a war like situation for them, where losing the debate is like death. Why does it happen ? Its because we are oure opinions, our judgements, our past experiances, our relationships, our images, and the images of others. What are we without them. Nothing. So it becomes absolutely necessary that we protect our opinions.

Thats what make people afraid. Because ego is man made and ultimately false and its always under the threat. this is the core fear. its death and it expresses itself in the form of certain other fears like losing gf/bf, losing reputation, property and what not. But its the fear of death.

[3fuegos3]

I can't tell if you're actually suicidal, but I think you're too philosophical for your own good. My father used to wear a shirt that advertised a piece of software. Beneath the logo read, "Don't you have something better to do?" I never got it, and neither did my father, but in any case, don't you have something better to do? Despite what life is or isn't, do you really want to spend it just pondering?

 

I used to play a video game where, when someone died, they lay there forever, fully conscious. If you found a certain item, you could talk to these dead people, and they'd tell you interesting stories. Is that death? I don't care, I simply enjoyed the game.

[rahulrocks]

don't you have something better to do? Despite what life is or isn't, do you really want to spend it just pondering?

 

Yes i do not think any thing is better the resolving the mystery of life and death. I think most of us live a superficial life. A life devoid of any meaning. There is hurt, there is sorrow, there are pleasures and all. Most of us are borne like a worm, spend the life in the prison of conditioning and then die like a worm. Never understanding what it means to be free. Always thinking that their own prison is the best one and they actually do not see any prison at all.

What better things could i do other then pondering over these things, , go and see a mountain, eat a good lunch, go to job earn money and all. I think if life is limited only to these things then its a lop sided way of living...

 

Anyways....

[3fuegos3]

Yes i do not think any thing is better the resolving the mystery of life and death. I think most of us live a superficial life. A life devoid of any meaning. There is hurt, there is sorrow, there are pleasures and all. Most of us are borne like a worm, spend the life in the prison of conditioning and then die like a worm. Never understanding what it means to be free. Always thinking that their own prison is the best one and they actually do not see any prison at all.

 

How can you know so much about others' lives?

 

You may want to solve the mystery of how others feel about their own lives before the mystery of life and death. If you said to my face that my life is superficial, meaningless, and self-delusional, how do you think I'd react? I've been suicidal myself, and I've met plenty others who have been. Many of them said the exact same things that you've written here. They thought they knew secrets about life that nobody else knew, as if they had that pair of glasses from They Live. From my experience, I'm confident in saying you don't know nearly as much as you seem to believe you do.

 

I think you've got things tearing you up inside, and posting a discussion here on death is your way of getting some thoughts out without addressing the actual issues. Are you suicidal?

[rahulrocks]

How can you know so much about others' lives? You may want to solve the mystery of how others feel about their own lives before the mystery of life and death.

Well do all of us differ ? Do we all not suffer for the same reasons ? Are we all not ambitious, greedy, self centered people ? Is not our ego the top priority for all of us ? Is not an american, a Chinese and Russian has the same kind of griefs and psychological issues. Is not our existence only superficial ? What deep meaning do we have in life besides creating an ambition of becoming famous and wealthy, sometimes succeeding and sometimes failing, but there is never ever a point when we would say we can stop here. One object of ambition is replaced with another object. Some of us associate ourselves with some social work and start thinking that we are doing something better then the others, is not just another demand of ego expansion ?

 

If you said to my face that my life is superficial, meaningless, and self-delusional, how do you think I'd react?

You may slap me thinking that i am personally offending you. You may think that 'Who the hell is this guy to comment on my life", a life in which i have invested so much, a life which means so much to me, how can he question the structure on which my whole life is built. But you may also think 'What if there is any point in what he says', what if 'he is true'. Well your reactions are upto urslef, but actually it was not written for you in person.

 

Many of them said the exact same things that you've written here. They thought they knew secrets about life that nobody else knew, as if they had that pair of glasses from They Live. From my experience, I'm confident in saying you don't know nearly as much as you seem to believe you do.

Yes if i am speaking from belief and speculation then there is high possibility that i am wrong. What my intention is to have a clearer perception so that there is no need of any belief and sepeculation. If you see something clearly, belief is not required.

 

Are you suicidal?

What do you think why i have started this thread ? Is it to tell people that i want to die ? Is it to find ways of how to die ? Or is it to examine this extra ordinary thing called Death.

What kind of death i am looking for ? Do i want the body to die ? Or do i want this psychological entity called ego to die ?