Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Received a formal warning at work today for some mistakes I had made, which I can bear and accept - I was glad to have the chance to air it with my manager, it came as a relief - they said they would hate to lose me, most of my work was brilliant and they hoped I would stay and not make any more silly mistakes again I have two friends there though whom I love as friends but are very cynical about the management and untrusting - afterwards they said to me, what a load of rubbish all that stuff was about them not wanting to lose me, they are stitching me up and trying to drive me out! Because cuts are being made and they might like my job I can be quite naive sometimes but I would like to think that what my managers said was true All this talk about them stitching me up is making me very unsure about everything and uncomfortable at work, I don't know who to believe! All the same, anyhow, I'm putting together a masterpiece of a CV tonight, this was my cue to start looking for another job, it's only when things get really bad I end up making changes Just think my friends are being a bit cynical and I feel torn, on the one hand, my managers are telling me to trust them and come to them for help if I need it, on the other my friends are saying I'm being stitched up I'm ultra-confused and are people really that disgusting in the work place, just don't want to believe it! Wondered if anybody could identify or offer advice thanks Link to comment
Kitkat973 Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 My advice is to keep as many options open as you can. Looking for a new job might be a good idea because there is safety in having options, but I don't think you should write your current job off. Link to comment
doiiiieeezie Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I'd start looking for a new job anyway, just in case. Are these silly mistakes fixable? Link to comment
abitbroken Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 I would take heed to what was said in the review. Take to heart what you need to improve on and just do it. Don't cave to peer pressure - the pressure to think negatively. The mistake was real and it was yours - but its your friends that are making you feel uncomfortable. If these are people that you only see at work, be cordial to them, but stop having lunch together so much or get busy with work instead of succumbing to sitting and ranting about the boss. You may think its easy just to go out and get another job but you are only as awesome as your work experience and your references. I would hang on to this job, so its your choice instead of someone else's choice to leave. And if this stuff continues to happen and you don't learn how to address and grow from your mistakes, it wil repeat at the next place. You can't always just run - sometimes mending and turning around if you can is in order. As far as trusting the management - yes, you can trust to go to them for clarification about a task at hand, but don't make them your counselors or beg them for your job. If they see marked improvement in your attitude and the conscientiousness that lacked and caused your mistake, it goes a long way. Besides, remember, if you are fired, it makes things easier for your friends to move up, or makes their jobs more secure so keep it in mind when taking their advice to ehart. Link to comment
thejigsup Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 It's time to start looking. I have had two jobs in the past that wrote me up for little or no reason. They gave me pretty much the same speech you got. Your managers may very well have been sincere, but I was let go from one of the jobs so a relative of one of the higher ups could take my place. The other place gave me a coworker that was unbearable and I quit. Be safe, keep you options open. Link to comment
alli Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 There's really no way of knowing for sure what the intentions are of your workplace. If you're already on their s---list, it's going to be hard to get off of it. You could request a written weekly or biweekly review from your supervisor from now until they feel you're out of hot water. At least if you were on the verge of getting fired you'd know it. Also it could help steer you in the right direction, if you think your performance is just fine and they think it's not and want you to change anything. I must say though, a written reprimand is definitely a sign you are about to get fired. Verbal warnings are when they want you to change something about your performance & think you will do it when they tell you. A written warning is them building a track record on you so they have a paper trail when they fire you. A sort of "cya" for them. I'm telling you though, you need to be on your toes at work because if you don't make a drastic change in your performance, you probably will get fired. The only time I do written counselings is when I have lost faith that verbally telling the person will make any difference and I want to have that person removed. Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Thank you very much everyone! I will be composing a very good CV tonight, to be on the safe side, though I'd rather stay in the job I'm in and if and when I leave, leave of my own accord The terrible thing is, I'm not quite sure that I trust these friends and I feel like distancing myself... Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 The silly mistakes are fixable, I'm being given another chance from tomorrow, but if I make one more mistake I'm basically out, so it'll be very hard to relax from now on... Thanks for the warnings too, makes me all the more determined to do something about all of this, I know this is serious, but if it hadn't have happened, I would have made the mistake of not learning any lessons - I want to just get on with the work and let the bosses see a change in my attitude Personally, until I spoke to these friends the talk seemed okay - but now I feel so unsure of who to trust and uncertain, I told my managers I would like to do an assertiveness course, my lack of assertiveness had led to some problems and now I'm paranoid that I was digging a hole, admitting my flaws Link to comment
abitbroken Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Thank you very much everyone! I will be composing a very good CV tonight, to be on the safe side, though I'd rather stay in the job I'm in and if and when I leave, leave of my own accord The terrible thing is, I'm not quite sure that I trust these friends and I feel like distancing myself... I worked with a guy that would tell all the newer folks (there one month to just under a year) that he has never seen business so bad, etc., that the industry was dying, etc. And some would start looking for jobs or start tanking. Once you were there for 3 years, he was nice to you, but he sure liked to bust everyone else because it meant his job was more secure and there was more for him(we were on commission) but really it was an illusion because when there is too few people you make less money because you don't have as much time to spend to do a quality job and make more per project, actually. I know - you don't want to dump the friends and kiss up to the boss but there is a happy medium. But for now I don't think your friends are doing you any favors. Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 They are both pretty competitive actually.... Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 But the fact my managers have said one mistake of that nature again and you're out, just makes me wonder, are they trying to get me to resign? God, I don't know who I should trust, my friends or my managers! Instinct tells me to trust the managers though, they are only acting on orders from senior management who learnt about my error I think I'll just focus on the work anyhow and make a new CV Link to comment
abitbroken Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 The mistake must have been a really dire one, or that means that you keep repeating the same mistake. They could also want you to be absolutely serious about it and take things seriously. They don't like it when THEIR boss cracks down on them for the mistakes of someone else - which they are responsible for. The only thing to do is - you know what your weaknesses are - now improve them. If you need to get a good night's sleep and a breakfast to pay better attention or improve your atitude do it, if you need a day planner or task list, do it. If you need to write down directions, do it. Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Thank you abitbroken, your words of advice are much appreciated, it was serious to the council because it involved a loss of money, but my managers said, it was a simple thing that could have been avoided, they were very nice, they said they believed I was panicking too much because I was covering and I wanted to please everyone too much and make everybody happy, which was to my detriment as others took advantage I know how to make it better, I admitted to my managers, I could see where I had gone wrong and when I came out, I actually felt okay because I knew now I would pull my socks up Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Another weird thing is, last week, these two girls encouraged me to be very confrontational with my managers, fight against them and challenge everything they said! I'm agency, I can't be too much like that, I just cannot trust them... They said I would need to build a case, I'm being stitched up and it made me feel really super paranoid about everyone and everything in work Link to comment
lavenderdove Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 Slow down and think about what is best for you and your own goals without reference to anything else. If it was a serious mistake that cost the company a good deal of money, they might have a policy to write you up no matter who you are. Companies for legal reasons will write people up to document they are taking corrective action, even if they don't intend to fire you. My own company will write people up for seemingly minor things if the person violates company policy they were trained to follow, but they certainly don't fire them after one write up unless it is such a bad offense they feel they must. So if your managers say they want to keep you and if you think you won't make that mistake again, then just keep working and don't worry too much about it. If you feel like you will make the mistake again, then you're better off looking for another job. Do NOT take any advice to confront or challenge your managers... really bad advice, and if you want to get fired soon, that is the best way to do it. Don't listen to anyone else. What people want in a worker is someone who is responsible, who will take responsibility if they make mistakes and commit to not doing it again, and to be pleasant and cooperative with their managers and everyone else. Being confrontational when you have indeed made a bad mistake is just asking to be fired. Those co-workers may want your job and would love to see you fired, or may just enjoy watching the drama when people confront each other, so don't listen to them! Link to comment
Eclipse11 Posted June 28, 2011 Author Share Posted June 28, 2011 Hey thank you LavenderDove, wise words, you always give such good advice I'm going to just do my work well and distance myself from these people, I was starting to feel depressed anyway, every lunch break they would discuss, moan and slaughter the managers over and over again and I got really bored of it, can't stand it Tomorrow's a fresh start for me, makes me feel better that it could have merited a warning, whoever you are, you may be right But I think from tomorrow on, I'll just do my work and go home, I'll still see these people but not as much Link to comment
lavenderdove Posted June 28, 2011 Share Posted June 28, 2011 You also don't want to get yourself associated with chronic complainers or troublemakers... that is a really bad career move. It would be OK to socialize with them now and again at group functions where everyone goes, but don't spend a lot of time with them if all they do is gripe and bash management, because you might get overheard and it repeated that you were part of that clique. Remember, your bosses the ones who determines whether you get fired, whether you get a raise or a promotion, so if you are going to try to please anyone, it should be your bosses! I can guarantee the troublemakers won't be there for you and won't pay your mortgage or help your career any if you get fired based on them giving you bad advice, so don't take their advice! Your bosses however can have significant impact on your earning potential and career, so always try to please the boss. If you ever get a boss you can't stand, then just get another job or transfer but never 'take them on' as that really is just shooting yourself in the foot. Link to comment
abitbroken Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Another weird thing is, last week, these two girls encouraged me to be very confrontational with my managers, fight against them and challenge everything they said! I'm agency, I can't be too much like that, I just cannot trust them... They said I would need to build a case, I'm being stitched up and it made me feel really super paranoid about everyone and everything in work If you are agency, dot your i's and cross your t's. If they kept you after the mistake and didn't terminate you on the spot, that says your manager DOES value you because you could easily have been gone just like that with NO explanation whatsoever. I think that this new bit if info really sheds light - of course they don't like agency folks (your coworkers). They see you as taking things form their pie and they also target you as the most expendable. They can get you fired more easily than others. yes, if it cost the company money, figure out what you did wrong and go by the book, not to please others. I think if you are a natural pleaser you are trying to please the wrong people but think you can get back on track. If you have a big problem, talk to your coordinator at the agency but I would just be more conscientious because you won't get other assignments after this if you cost the company lots of money and didn't make thigns right, Link to comment
abitbroken Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Another weird thing is, last week, these two girls encouraged me to be very confrontational with my managers, fight against them and challenge everything they said! I'm agency, I can't be too much like that, I just cannot trust them... They said I would need to build a case, I'm being stitched up and it made me feel really super paranoid about everyone and everything in work If you are agency, dot your i's and cross your t's. If they kept you after the mistake and didn't terminate you on the spot, that says your manager DOES value you because you could easily have been gone just like that with NO explanation whatsoever. I think that this new bit if info really sheds light - of course they don't like agency folks (your coworkers). They see you as taking things form their pie and they also target you as the most expendable. They can get you fired more easily than others. yes, if it cost the company money, figure out what you did wrong and go by the book, not to please others. I think if you are a natural pleaser you are trying to please the wrong people but think you can get back on track. If you have a big problem, talk to your coordinator at the agency but I would just be more conscientious because you won't get other assignments after this if you cost the company lots of money and didn't make thigns right, Link to comment
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