XButtonsx Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Just wondering is it true that what goes around comes back around???
hexaemeron Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Why would you wish someone bad just because they broke up with you?
Day_Walker Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 I dont think that there is a correlation between a persons bad actions if that will come back to them later. Karma is used to impose morality, to get people to believe that if they do bad things then their actions will come back to them later on down the line. The concept is also Indo-Aryan which is drastically different culturally than the Judeo-Christian based culture found in the west. The concept does not translate well, viewed through the lense of western religions.
endy Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 In buddhism (not a western religion btw) karma refers to one's intention and motivation when doing an action. I believe yes, that you usually get what you give. If you're full of happiness you'll get more. If you're full of anger and lash out at other people, it will be returned to you, or more anger will rise etc. Basically you reap what you sow. Every holy book mentions karma, but in buddhism it's hard to judge exactly what action is causing a reaction later in time since you have many lifes. For that reason, if you're ex cheats on you... it doesn't mean that the next relationship, or in this life even it's going to be repaid.
The_Seeker Posted June 22, 2011 Posted June 22, 2011 Yes, I believe in Karma. I hope Karma gives them bad people very well especially those abuse innocent children and sell them. That's the kind of Karma I believe in. Not the one that doesn't love you anymore.
misguided angel Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 i don't believe in karma because in my family the blokes who hit and abuse the wife always seem to end up still being married and the guys who treat the girlfriend good(including me) seem to always end up being walked all over plus i know of 1 child abuser who after 4 years in jail got out and just goes abroad for his nasty thrills and the police can do nothing about it.
Eocsor Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 No such thing. Bad people have great lives sometimes.
mouseno4 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Wanting harm to come to another will always come back to you. Even if only in your mind.
Oasiswater Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Haven't you heard? Nasty people live forever. Clearly, Karma doesn't exist.
90_hour_sleep Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 karma is often misrepresented as justice. it has nothing to do with justice...or injustice. it's more akin to the laws of physics. for every action...there is an equal and opposite reaction. it's not a moral yardstick to mesaure oneself against the merits or insufficiencies of others.
Oasiswater Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 it's more akin to the laws of physics. for every action...there is an equal and opposite reaction. I kinda see where you're going with that, but I think that's a bad explanation. To me, that's something along the lines of: Do good for others, and others will do bad for you. I think it's more the "golden rule" than anything: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
90_hour_sleep Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I kinda see where you're going with that, but I think that's a bad explanation. To me, that's something along the lines of: Do good for others, and others will do bad for you. I think it's more the "golden rule" than anything: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. i know what you mean. go with what you believe. for me, karma has nothing to do with anyone else. i'm accountable for me...and noone else. and further...there isn't a person on this planet that is accountable to me in any way. i have no expectations for how a person should or shouldn't treat me. who am i to make that declaration? in my own experience...when i put expectations or limitations on the beahviours of others...the way i feel when things don't go according to those beliefs has nothing to do with karma. it's not about justification...or vindication. it's not conditional on the actions of others in any way. it's a reminder to lead a wholesome life...a life that i find agreeable on my own terms. you know? i mean...i can do good for another...but should i really expect to get that in return? really? what am i basing that expectation on? i think you can twist the laws of physics however you like. there's always a way to rationalize and equate things on your own terms. when i think of equal but opposite...i think more in terms of...''if i do good for others...good will come to me.'' or...''if i do bad for others...bad will come for me.'' you can never control another person's actions. and there's not a force in the universe that will change that. stick to what you can control. and really...in terms of eastern philosophy...the karmic 'payout' may never come in one's current lifetime. so...in a world where instant gratification is the norm...i think it becomes difficult to fathom the existence of such a thing that may never manifest itself in a way we deem sufficient.
mad rabbits Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I don't believe in karma. However, I do believe that if you spend your life dishing out sh*tty actions and behaviours to others, in the long term, your own quality of life will suffer, for the simple reason that you will have to either lie to people to keep in their good graces, or find new friends and lovers all the time, who don't yet know who you really are. The converse is also true - if you live a good life and try to be kind and genuine, you will tend to keep other kind and genuine people loyal to you.
endy Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I do believe in karma, but it's like I originally explained... and 90 has an understanding of it that most others don't. You are responsible for only YOUR actions, reactions and thoughts. Those thoughts that are given out to the universe are in a way well given back to you. You will never have something you don't believe in or want. You will never have something that you can't wrap your head around. If you are constantly negative, only bad things are going to happen to you. If you don't love yourself, you're never going to find a person that will love you the right way etc. Like I said I'm with the belief of reincarnation, so karma can be delayed a long time. A lot of the suffering and pain in our lives can be caused by past ways of thinking and mistakes. In buddhism (not a western religion btw) karma refers to one's intention and motivation when doing an action. I believe yes, that you usually get what you give. If you're full of happiness you'll get more. If you're full of anger and lash out at other people, it will be returned to you, or more anger will rise etc. Basically you reap what you sow. Every holy book mentions karma, but in buddhism it's hard to judge exactly what action is causing a reaction later in time since you have many lifes. For that reason, if you're ex cheats on you... it doesn't mean that the next relationship, or in this life even it's going to be repaid. That is what I believe karma to be, however... It only applies to self. The last sentence I wrote was vague... The way a person treats you is just about their true thoughts and actions. That would be THEIR karma, not yours. Yours has nothing to do with them and only yourself. How I think and react about an ex is going to be my karma, or have an effect on it.
ohsweetlove11 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Tempted to say yes. Every bad thing I've done, I've had done to me, even if years down the road.
-Sanguine- Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I don't believe in karma. Things happen and I believe everything in life is coincidental.. I don't think things happen because of "karma" or "fate" or any of that stuff.
FarthestEdge Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I believe that you teach people how to treat you, based on how you treat others. So in that sense, what you do can come back to you. But the best bet, is to not worry about what happens to others who hurt you or wrong you. You control your actions and reactions. So find what you can to learn from the experience and take from it knowledge that will improve how you live your life, and the future relationships you will have. If you want revenge, remember, the best revenge is a life lived well. If someone truly wishes misery upon you, nothing will annoy them more than your happiness.
Brownstone322 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 "Karma" is one of many many many rationalizations that people make up.
-Sanguine- Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 "Karma" is one of many many many rationalizations that people make up. Agreed. I think people believe in karma, fate, etc. because they want something to blame the circumstances of their life on. It is the same with religion, but I won't get into that. I wonder why for most people it is harder to accept that things just happen, rather than making up some kind of "reason".
90_hour_sleep Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Agreed. I think people believe in karma, fate, etc. because they want something to blame the circumstances of their life on. It is the same with religion, but I won't get into that. I wonder why for most people it is harder to accept that things just happen, rather than making up some kind of "reason". kind of unfortunate. this 'reason' seems to be a western adaptation for the idea of karma. puts a bit of a sour spin on the whole business. definitely agree with you there. anything dogmatic will function in this way you've described. unfortunately...karma happens to be a word that has become stretched and misrepresented. it's been 'westernized'...and as such...the true meaning behind it has been overshadowed. it's a bit like the word ''god''. overladen with so much extraneous matter...the substance of it has really been lost. the ''karma'' that is being discussed on this board has come nowhere close to touching on the true essence of what it actually is. assumptions an misrepresentations. it's taken on a religious face. woohoo!!!
rkw Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 No, but I think that if you aren't a nice person, eventually it will catch up with you. Simply because people wont want to be around you for very long and it hinders the chance of healthy relationships, ability to network, career prospects, no one gives you any favours etc. Should you hope that this will happen to your ex? No. We all imagine various bad things happening to our ex (I liked imagining someone attacking his car, which he loved more than me, with a baseball bat), but to seriously hope it happens is another thing. Just try and live your best life, and anything that happens to your ex wont seem so important (of course, if this is why you're asking!)
Tired Tiger Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 Theistic and philosophical definitions aside, hoping for bad things to happen to others is just... bad juju.
Seraphim Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 I never wish bad on anyone. However though I have lived just long enough to see some people get bit by their bad actions. It ALWAYS happens, eventually. You reap what you sow.
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