If you get a new social security card is the old one still valid?

[CatsMeeoow]

Ok - Not sure where to post this question.

 

I know that most states will issue a new drivers license and it automatically makes your old license invalid. Its actually against the law in some states to carry/have more than one diver's license.

 

Now if you changed your name as in divorce or marriage, applied and got a new social security card with your new name but were still using your old card with your old name over a year later - wouldn't that present a problem? Yes the number is still the same but you are using two different names associated with that number.

 

I had always assumed that the new card immediately makes the old one invalid but couldn't really find any concrete information.

 

 

[lavenderdove]

I have to ask the question, why don't you just use your new one?

 

I think if you are using the old one in certain situations it could get you in trouble. For example, if you give a new employer the old card and they try to pay federal taxes under your old name, there will be a mismatch with the govt./tax records and it will cause problems.

 

If you try to use both names in an attempt to disguise your identity or give someone else one card to use while you use the new one, that is illegal.

 

It is not illegal per se to call yourself any name you choose, as long as you are not disguising your identity to commit crimes or avoid prosecution or misrepresent your identity for nefarious purposes (to avoid creditors or apply for credit under two different names, to avoid prosecution for a crime you committed under one name, to give an illegal alien your old identity etc.).

 

And it would definitely be illegal to present the old card/name to somewhere like a state driver's licensing bureau who is verifying identity, or to a policeman running a criminal records check if you get pulled over or arrested etc.

[OptomisticGirl]

Shouldn't you have had to give that up when you got the new one??

 

When I change my name when we get married in October I have to hand over the one with my maiden name on it before I can get the new one.

[CatsMeeoow]

LOL... its not me... its my husbands ex ....

Of course as part of their divorce decree she asked that her maiden name be given back - no big deal. But, well over a year ago she sent about 5 email messages telling us her current name... which of course we knew as we can read the divorce decree to but whatever. When she wouldn't just drop it we simply asked what her point was in telling 5 different times what her last name was... lol... she said it was because she just got her new social security card with her new name... well we congratulated her and just really wanted to move on from such lane conversation which is supposed to be just about the kids.

 

Well in April she knowingly committed perjury by lying under oath that she didn't have a job when she in fact had signed an employers w4forms just the day before.... so we were able to subpnea her employee file and noticed that she was using her old social security card and name when she applied for a job in March meaning that she has had her new card for a year.

 

So not only is she lying in court but she is giving false documents to employers?

 

That's why I was wondering what the ramifications are.... we have to go back to court to prove she lied.

[Ariel85]

Why are you taking her to court at all? As much as you clearly don't like her, she's still your H's kids mother. I would think if you loved him, you'd not want harm to come to her, as it will ultimately only cause her kids to suffer.

[CatsMeeoow]

We are not... LOL! We tried to drop it but she insists we go back to court... We have no idea why she would risk it cause we have tons of black and white documents that she perjured herself last court date.

 

And - we are the ones suffering... not her.

 

She is one who has been filing against us - constant orders of protection against me... then my 8yr old son. She is the one who texts at all hours of the night and shows up with police at our front door after we are all in bed. The only time we have filed anything with the court is when we asked to get our (my husbands and my children) on the same visitation schedule as she constantly tells her kids that step families aren't real families and they don't have a step brother and they shouldn't spend time with him or like him. Her own attorney argued in family court that step families were not real families... yeah... that went over with the judge like a lead balloon. That time in court the judge told her she was being a bad mother and was livid that she brought her 10yr old out of school and to court that day - judges don't want minors in their court unless they have asked to see them there.

 

I'm doing nothing to this woman... she is bringing this all on herself. She quit her job and then suddenly expects my husband to not only support his kids but her now too - judge said not going to happen but that didn't keep her attorney from trying to argue it. I have no idea why she wants to see us back in court - we've asked to have the issue dropped more than once. We were willing to sit on the perjury for now but in essence we will protect ourselves.

 

I'm not the type to do such things. I can't stop her from taking us to court repeatedly... I believe in being proactive though and will line up all my ducks - I will not be called into court unprepared.

[chitown9]

Shouldn't you have had to give that up when you got the new one??

 

When I change my name when we get married in October I have to hand over the one with my maiden name on it before I can get the new one.

 

 

 

I don't know why you had to relinquish your old card. I have worked for the Social Security Administration and we never required this.

[OptomisticGirl]

I don't know why you had to relinquish your old card. I have worked for the Social Security Administration and we never required this.

 

I don't know if it's different there or not but when I called last week to find out if I had to apply in the state we got married in or the state I live in, she told me I would have to hand the old one over (probably for the reason the OP started this thread). My mom and sister both had to give their's up as well.

[chitown9]

The problem that your husband's ex-wife by using social security card with former name is that when she files her tax return what name will she use? Her name on the tax return needs to be the same as the LAST time she changed her name on her social security card. If the name is different, IRS would consider it a discrepancy. She could circumvent this by changing her name with her employer at the last minute, so to speak, by changing it to the correct name at the last minute, so to speak.

 

If you want to be prepared in court I would ask your attorney to suponea a few tax returns for the years that are pertinent to her changing her name. This would show the different names that she used and that she is one and the same person.

(His ex-wife's attorney will probably think that you are getting a suponea for those tax returns for the purpose of determining her income.)

[chitown9]

"I had always assumed that the new card immediately makes the old one invalid but couldn't really find any concrete information."

 

 

 

 

It does make it invalid; however, if the individual wants to change their name again say back to what it was originally, then the name needs to be changed again with the Social Security Administration. A new card will be issued showing the original name. The latest issued SSN card is the valid one.

[chitown9]

I don't know if it's different there or not but when I called last week to find out if I had to apply in the state we got married in or the state I live in, she told me I would have to hand the old one over (probably for the reason the OP started this thread). My mom and sister both had to give their's up as well.

 

 

The Social Security Administration is a federal agency and is not governed by state regulations; and I know for a fact federal regulations do not require you to relinquish your old SSN. My guess is this decision of giving up old SSNs was established at a local level such as a regional level or a district level. If you had changed the authority of giving up your SSN you would have not been required to do so. I, myself, was married the latter part of last year, 2010. I went into the Social Security office with my driver's license with my new name and my marriage certificate. I just told the clerk my SSN. I did not even have the old one with me.

This was in California, but as I stated before, the rule governing this is the same from state to state. There really is no problem having the old SSN, and it can even help as it did for me to establish I am one and the same person for the purposes of proving I owned the a piece of property under my old name. The problem with SSNs is really more to do with illegal immigrants who obtain counterfit SSNs. If the number they are using is yours, either with your name or a different name, you now have wages being posted to your account that do not belong to you and IRS will be asking you why you did not report these wages when you don't even know about them. IRS kicks these messes to SSA and we would have to determine which wages really only belong to you. After we resolved the issue it would be sent back to IRS with our determination.

 

This is why you should never carry your SSN card on your person.

[OptomisticGirl]

I Guess it must be the state level. I live in GA and called the local office - I need to get my passport ASAP after we are married and fund out I can change it in Myrtle Beach while we are on our honeymoon. But yeah, my sister got married here last year and had to turn her's over.

[chitown9]

I Guess it must be the state level. I live in GA and called the local office - I need to get my passport ASAP after we are married and fund out I can change it in Myrtle Beach while we are on our honeymoon. But yeah, my sister got married here last year and had to turn her's over.

 

Whatever authority it is, it is not by federal authority and therefore if challenged it would not fly. Some people no longer have a social security number, but they know the number. If they can give the correct SSN with the proper documents, for example, marriage certificate, that is all that is needed to get a new card with their new name and the same SSN.

 

My question is, does any of this information assist the OP?

[CatsMeeoow]

Whatever authority it is, it is not by federal authority and therefore if challenged it would not fly. Some people no longer have a social security number, but they know the number. If they can give the correct SSN with the proper documents, for example, marriage certificate, that is all that is needed to get a new card with their new name and the same SSN.

 

My question is, does any of this information assist the OP?

 

Yes - thank you... it is interesting.

 

Its easy enough to request tax returns but I'm not really into going after money or causing her to have financial issues over this but looking more into creating as much proof as possible that she lies.

 

We have to go to court yet again because she is pursing my husband for attorney fees for the date she lied under oath about being employed. So we are lining up our ducks so to speak and getting as much black and white documentation as possible to prove she lies... AND lies under oath.

 

No its not my idea of a good time - I'd rather be doing fun things with the kids. But that last court date where she told the judge that not only did she not have a job - she didn't even have a job offer at all (we have signed documents dated before the court date that she was employed) cost us $300. Its going to stop... we need to discredit her as much as possible to end this crap...