Poll:- Ladies, do you expect the Gents to ask you out?

[veda999]

Out of their league? Interesting. I guess classism is alive and well in the Western world. Instead of just money, it's attractiveness.

Classism? I wasn't thinking along those lines at all. Most people who take good care of themselves would not want to be around someone who does not, e.g., alcoholics, overeaters, etc. Has nothing to do with class. Has to do with how one takes care of oneself. Interesting comment coming from a man. It has been said that men are much more concerned with a woman's appearance than the other way around but I digress . . .

[hexaemeron]

Classism? I wasn't thinking along those lines at all. Most people who take good care of themselves would not want to be around someone who does not, e.g., alcoholics, overeaters, etc. Has nothing to do with class. Has to do with how one takes care of oneself. Interesting comment coming from a man. It has been said that men are much more concerned with a woman's appearance than the other way around but I digress . . .

 

Well, honestly, I mostly agree with you. It's just the way you said it previously sort of raised my hackles. Attractiveness is very subjective and no one knows why some people attract one another. Look at people like Pierce Brosnan and Clive Owen. Two of the most beautiful male celebrities in the world and both of them are married to, what most people would consider, fat ladies. They could have any woman, anywhere, ever, and they choose these women.

 

It's not a crime to not be attracted to someone. But to say anyone asking someone out is "out of anyone's league" really shows a sense of entitlement and a probably confusion of priorities.

[veda999]

Well, honestly, I mostly agree with you. It's just the way you said it previously sort of raised my hackles. Attractiveness is very subjective and no one knows why some people attract one another. Look at people like Pierce Brosnan and Clive Owen. Two of the most beautiful male celebrities in the world and both of them are married to, what most people would consider, fat ladies. They could have any woman, anywhere, ever, and they choose these women.

 

It's not a crime to not be attracted to someone. But to say anyone asking someone out is "out of anyone's league" really shows a sense of entitlement and a probably confusion of priorities.

You don't believe there are levels of attractiveness, "leagues" if you will? If 100 random men stood in a row opposite 100 random women, 80 of the men would choose the same woman. It's taste and preferences. Either you're attracted or you're not. In the case of the two actors, some men like heavier women, but I would not classify these women as obese. In general, if someone is obese he/she is negligent regarding other aspects of his/her appearance. I cannot understand how entitlement comes into play, other than a feeling that, for example, I am entitled to a man who has very good oral hygiene because I have such a characteristic.

[Bergamot]

Whether you like it or not Hex Leagues are very real and they do exist.

[KISSKISS]

no.

 

 

if i want something i get it myself. =]

[MakestheBest]

Poll Ladies, do you expect the Gents to ask you out?

 

Yup. When i was young in my "independent woman" stage I tried to ask a few guys out. The dynamic absolutely sucked. They waited for me to make the first move in everything. I was the guy, and the guy ( gulp ) was the very lazy and balls-less girl. BIG turnoff.

[dr_styles]

haha I gotta admit loving this thread a bit. It's a Captain Obvious thread, posted as such, but the whole "told you so" (no one in particular) feeling is there.

 

On a more serious thought ofcourse this is still true and won't change so just gotta suck it up but if I ever hear cliche'd advice about who has it harder, or just to be myself, I'm pointing them straight here :splat:

[enalover143]

On a more serious thought ofcourse this is still true and won't change so just gotta suck it up but if I ever hear cliche'd advice about who has it harder, or just to be myself, I'm pointing them straight here

 

It's not a competition to see who has it harder who gets more cliched advice. Maybe you should just focus on working on yourself so you can get the dates & women you want? Dunno, just a thought.

[In the Dark]

I started this thread to state the truth.

To show males this is the way it is, to show the minority of females who do lay their pride on the line that males are single because they are expected to do what the minority of females do.

 

Not a competition but a statistic to provide evidence if there is confusion as to why a male maybe may have a hard time finding someone

 

They are fearing what the majority of the females fear.

[newwave]

Yes, I have and would again. I've had various results.

 

 

 

I wouldn't have minded asking a guy out until I read 'he's just not that into you' now I don't think I would!!

 

I wish people would stop believing everything this book mentions. This book was written by a comedian (a lousy one at that) not a psychologist. This book has done so much damage to relationships just like the Rules book. No one should live their life by a stupid book.

[newwave]

Classism? I wasn't thinking along those lines at all. Most people who take good care of themselves would not want to be around someone who does not, e.g., alcoholics, overeaters, etc. Has nothing to do with class. Has to do with how one takes care of oneself. Interesting comment coming from a man. It has been said that men are much more concerned with a woman's appearance than the other way around but I digress . . .

 

Yeah, I don't get why people cut down women who don't date obese men, while at the same time these men are often picky themselves. I don't generally date obese men because it repulses me. I stay in shape, I don't need someone who doesn't. That's not to say I don't date chubby men, I have dated chubby men. However chubby is different than obese.

[In the Dark]

@newave

 

On your response to the "He's not that into you book"

I absolutely agree, it'; not that simple.

 

I am a male and know I am not like that.

 

Just like this whole Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus garbage.

It's not black and white.

 

I'd prefer a Woman from Pluto....."The chick who is real out there."

 

Ugh.....bad pun

 

Someone, play the rim shot.....

[newwave]

@newave

 

On your response to the "He's not that into you book"

I absolutely agree, it'; not that simple.

 

I am a male and know I am not like that.

 

Just like this whole Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus garbage.

It's not black and white.

 

I'd prefer a Woman from Pluto....."The chick who is real out there."

 

Ugh.....bad pun

 

Someone, play the rim shot.....

 

Many men aren't, and they resent those books making everything a one size fits all. Yeah Mars and Venus is another one people quote, and once again, not everyone fits. We are all people, and books like that stereotype the genders.

[In the Dark]

@newwave

To an extent this is true.

But there are certain things which remain a majority.

 

As seen here, regardless how different they are from each other in other ways.