summerpeach Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Where one therapist has a degree in Psychology but has no personal life experience with panic/anxiety and charges $100 an hr or A therapist/consultant without a degree but has a ton of personal experience with panic/anxiety and had learned how to control it and teaches others how to control it and charges $50 an hr Which one would you prefer to see and why? Link to comment
delphi88 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I couldn't really say without knowing more about them. What I found really helpful was someone who did cognitive behavioural therapy. You need someone who can teach you practical ways to cope with anxiety. I guess it sounds like the second therapist you lmentioned does that sort of thing. But there's nothing wrong with asking them some more detailed questions about how they would help and what methods they would use - after all, you're paying them. You could also maybe ask for a trial session with each to see how you get on, or something like that. Link to comment
Crazyaboutdogs Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Where one therapist has a degree in Psychology but has no personal life experience with panic/anxiety and charges $100 an hr or A therapist/consultant without a degree but has a ton of personal experience with panic/anxiety and had learned how to control it and teaches others how to control it and charges $50 an hr Which one would you prefer to see and why? Is the second therapist licensed to practice in some capacity? I would go for the one with the experience rather than the degree. Link to comment
Jeen Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 The second one, why pay more for someone who still need to get experience. Link to comment
JadedStar Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 The second one really should not be charging anything if they do not have the proper credentials. Link to comment
Aschleigh Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Whoever you choose should have experience/a degree in Cognitive behavioral therapy. You actually could take mindful meditation classes for free or cheep, but that may not really work if you have bad anxiety. Link to comment
amipushy Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Whoever you choose should have experience/a degree in Cognitive behavioral therapy. Funny I was just thinking that. Go with the CBT who ever teaches it. Link to comment
John Bendix Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I agree. CBT an approach that seems to be more successful. CBT not only trains you to relax during situations that bring on aniexity and cope with them, it also trains to change your mind set. In doing so, you re-focus your thought patterns and your emotional reactions to those thoughts since that is what emotions are. They are reactions to your thoughts. The emotions that you experience are also stimuli to your mind (which is consistently taking a reading of our physical state and emotions are a physical reaction) to produce more thought. This is called emotional feedback. Problem comes when the thought-to-emotion-to-thought cycle keeps repeating and you get caught up in the cycle. Then is when "racing" can occur and contribute to a high level of anxiety and panic attacks. It has been postulated by many neurologists that by changing your thought patterns that you do actually change the chemical balances in the brain that can influence anxiety. CBT can be a win-win endeavor. Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 Is the second therapist licensed to practice in some capacity? I would go for the one with the experience rather than the degree. This is all hypothetical by the way but no the second "therapist" would be more of a consultant to walk someone though their anxiety. Almost like those who wrote self help books about their own experience and sees clients to advise. I agree with you. Having a degree means nothing. I've seen therapists in the past for anxiety who had no idea what they were talking about, but when I went to see my homeopath who also went through the pain of anxiety taught me more about dealing with my anxiety than 2 yrs in conventional therapy. Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 The second one really should not be charging anything if they do not have the proper credentials. But they do have credetials, it's called life experience. And why should someone not charge to consult? Should people work for free? Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 9, 2008 Author Share Posted July 9, 2008 Cognative therapy does not work for everyone. It never worked for me. Anxiety is really only 50% mental and the other 50 % is physical. Many people overcome and control anxiety with other forms of "therapies' such as proper diet, exercise, natural meds, meditation etc. If anxiety is a chemical response, then Cognative therapy can/will only partially work Link to comment
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amipushy Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Eww summerpeach, it was spam - Don't even go there!!!! . Link to comment
just M.E. Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Actually CBT can change chemistry in the same manner as bio-feedback works. Our brain chemistry is very related to thought processes, much in the same way fear creates a flight or fight response which brings out a physical change in adrenaline. Natural childbirth has focused on the minds ability to control the physical in our body and it has proven successful for many. For me and my personal circumstances, I believe that if one really feels empowered to control our body and responses we can have a positive effect. If we think we can't, we obviously will not be able to. Anxiety and panic attacks are temporary situations, just as asthma attacks can be lessoned by controlling the fear and anxiety within our own mind. I speak from experience and I believe that CBT works but I also believe the most important criteria is a good trusting relationship with a competent therapist. Link to comment
JadedStar Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 But they do have credetials, it's called life experience. And why should someone not charge to consult? Should people work for free? I help people here all the time and wouldn't dream of charging a consult fee. I do not have the credentials and even tho i have helped a lot of people in my life it is still not right and unethical if i ever charged for it. Having a degree in the field you are practicing at least gives someone the ease of mind of knowing they did have to go thru some formal training. When you go the route of life experience there is absolutely NOTHING tangible to separate the charlatans from the very insightful. I wouldn't give money to someone who was practicing with out some proper type of license. For that matter MANY people are wise with life experience, should they go around charging for the advice? If that is the case a lot of wise people on ENA should be making a fortune. Link to comment
girl friend Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 the one with the degree. They are taught lots of diff approaches, someone with life experience may know first hand one or two, but may not behave professionally, and may not be certain to help u. Of course i'm biased, but imo the training which we receive though it does not cover every possible scenario as a therapist that u may see, it covers the broader problems in terms of diagnosis and treatment, whilst developing your own therapeutic style, and having a vast 'box of tricks' that you can try to help someone. I really would go for the degree.. thats what your paying for, the assurance that they know what they are doing. Link to comment
wtm78 Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Where one therapist has a degree in Psychology but has no personal life experience with panic/anxiety and charges $100 an hr or A therapist/consultant without a degree but has a ton of personal experience with panic/anxiety and had learned how to control it and teaches others how to control it and charges $50 an hr Which one would you prefer to see and why? hi friend, i will choose neither, you should choose one with both.. therapist also specialise in something.. choose one the specialise in the area that you want to be help in.. Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 I help people here all the time and wouldn't dream of charging a consult fee. I do not have the credentials and even tho i have helped a lot of people in my life it is still not right and unethical if i ever charged for it. Having a degree in the field you are practicing at least gives someone the ease of mind of knowing they did have to go thru some formal training. When you go the route of life experience there is absolutely NOTHING tangible to separate the charlatans from the very insightful. I wouldn't give money to someone who was practicing with out some proper type of license. For that matter MANY people are wise with life experience, should they go around charging for the advice? If that is the case a lot of wise people on ENA should be making a fortune. This makes no sense! Giving advice and consulting are two different things. If someone has a ton of experience on a subject, it makes them an expert. People like Anthony Robbins who is a motivational speaker teaches from experience. Should he give his talks, dvd's cd's and seminars from free? Deepak Chopra, Wayne Dyer....these guys were medical dr's who are noq spiritual teachers. Should they write books for free? Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 By the way, I asked this same question on my anxiety site and the people who suffer debilitating anxiety and panic all chose the person with experience and no degree. Not one chose "the degree". If I want someone to fix my car, I want someone who knows how to fix it and not just read a book on how to fix it Link to comment
summerpeach Posted July 15, 2008 Author Share Posted July 15, 2008 hi friend, i will choose neither, you should choose one with both.. therapist also specialise in something.. choose one the specialise in the area that you want to be help in.. I wasn't asking because I want therapy. Link to comment
JadedStar Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 the one with the degree. They are taught lots of diff approaches, someone with life experience may know first hand one or two, but may not behave professionally, and may not be certain to help u. Of course i'm biased, but imo the training which we receive though it does not cover every possible scenario as a therapist that u may see, it covers the broader problems in terms of diagnosis and treatment, whilst developing your own therapeutic style, and having a vast 'box of tricks' that you can try to help someone. I really would go for the degree.. thats what your paying for, the assurance that they know what they are doing. I totally agree with this, and am a bit baffled that my reasoning, and yours about why it is a real crapshoot paying someone with no credentials would make no sense. NOt to mention I doubt it is legal in many areas to run around charging for therapy when you are not a licensed therapist. Summerpeach, I could easily start "consulting" with people I know as in sitting them down and not just answering forum posts but giving them real counsel and charging for it. The fact that i would call that counsel makes me more legit? No, it doesn't. I still have no business charging for a service I have no credentials in, even if intuitively i feel in my gut that I can and have helped many people in the areas of relationships. I still can't go around charging for it, well not ethically that is. Link to comment
Raiden Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Where one therapist has a degree in Psychology but has no personal life experience with panic/anxiety and charges $100 an hr or A therapist/consultant without a degree but has a ton of personal experience with panic/anxiety and had learned how to control it and teaches others how to control it and charges $50 an hr Which one would you prefer to see and why? The latter. Without a doubt. Link to comment
JadedStar Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 And to be honest my answer would be neither of them. I would find a licensed therapist who also has some life experience under his or her belt. Link to comment
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