Mystery, the Master Pick-Up Artist

[Dating Coach]

I think it is quite unfair to call girls at bars/clubs names like "immature" and "dumb". You don't even know them. I wouldn't presume to label them as such, there is not enough information to make that judgement call.

 

You have to understand that you're not in the situation, out having fun at a social gathering, and have someone there whom is walking up and putting forth an unthreatening, interesting, and fun flirtatious conversion. You're on the internet, KNOWING that the guy has practiced social skills, and is working the scene by using the knowledge he gained.

 

I just watched the first episode of The Pick Up Artist, in the part where Mystery and his guys go in the club after the contestants fail. They go in there and have a blast, flirting, chatting, and just having fun. I saw nothing from them (well maybe not the blonde guy-I thought he as a little lame) that would consitute anything "wrong". To me it looked as if they were displaying fine social skills and no fear in talking to pretty women.

 

There is nothing wrong or threatening by what they showed when they went out. The only thing wrong is people making fast judgements from little information. If I had seen one of those club girls get an attitude and be * * * * *y towards them for talking to them the way they were talking to those girls, I'd think the girl was being very rude, because they weren't.

[Dating Coach]

Oh, and good social skills work anywhere. Of course you're not going to walk into a church and act the same way you would at a bar. The same goes for everyone involved. Just because they are showing the club scene-which is where a lot of single people go-doesn't mean that social skills are completely ineffective anywhere else.

 

I do agree on the outfit. I don't get it.

[Raiden]

I haven't read the whole thread, apologies....

 

Having finally gotten round to watching one of his shows on YouTube, seeing him in action, I think this Mystery guy is a fake. I think the show is fake. His advice is thus flawed.

 

Plus, he operates in stereotypical meat market US clubs.... Posh places that probably cost $1000 to get in...

 

Gaaarrh! So... fake. I can't even begin to express myself here

[shes2smart]

I find it interesting that this thread has gone on for 11 pages and people have had such passionate views both "for" and "against" this guy, this show, and what he does.

 

Somewhere, you've all made some TV executives smile.

[wester]

I haven't read the whole thread, apologies....

 

Having finally gotten round to watching one of his shows on YouTube, seeing him in action, I think this Mystery guy is a fake. I think the show is fake. His advice is thus flawed.

 

Plus, he operates in stereotypical meat market US clubs.... Posh places that probably cost $1000 to get in...

 

Gaaarrh! So... fake. I can't even begin to express myself here

 

But Ken, he seems to get women. So what if he's "fake" and using a little BS to do it? Everyone in the whole meeting and dating scene is fake to one degree or another. And I still maintain that women (not all but some) have created guys like Mystery with their nasty attitudes and unbelievably high expectations. Guys just throw up their hands at some point and create a demand for PUAs.

[tylercdurden2004]

I find it interesting that this thread has gone on for 11 pages and people have had such passionate views both "for" and "against" this guy, this show, and what he does.

 

Somewhere, you've all made some TV executives smile.

 

I make 'em frown. I watch less than 2 hours of TV a week.

[Raiden]

But Ken, he seems to get women. So what if he's "fake" and using a little BS to do it? Everyone in the whole meeting and dating scene is fake to one degree or another. And I still maintain that women (not all but some) have created guys like Mystery with their nasty attitudes and unbelievably high expectations. Guys just throw up their hands at some point and create a demand for PUAs.

 

I dunno.... All I see is some bloke in a silly hat trying to pull chicks and/or get laid. Lol.

 

Besides, what I meant was the whole show looks so orchestrated, from what I've seen... i.e, fake from a cinematographic perspective.

[Sweet Buttabean Jellayroll]

If he can have a reality show then i can also...............

 

it does look a little staged tho. Men go on national television and admit they cant talk too women?

 

back in my hay day when i had low self esteem i wouldnt do that

[Raiden]

it does look a little staged tho.

 

THAT was the word I was thinking of, lol.

[wester]

If he can have a reality show then i can also...............

 

it does look a little staged tho. Men go on national television and admit they cant talk too women?

 

back in my hay day when i had low self esteem i wouldnt do that

 

That's another thing about that show. I'm sure there's a way to learn this stuff without humiliating yourself on national TV. One kid on that show cried instead of going up to any women in some bar. Why would you let the entire country see something like that?

 

But those guys don't seem like their acting. It seems like they have genuine problems with women.

[shes2smart]

If he can have a reality show then i can also...............

 

it does look a little staged tho. Men go on national television and admit they cant talk too women?

 

back in my hay day when i had low self esteem i wouldnt do that

 

They apparently wanted their 15 minutes of reality-TV fame more than you did.

[Dating Coach]

That's another thing about that show. I'm sure there's a way to learn this stuff without humiliating yourself on national TV. One kid on that show cried instead of going up to any women in some bar. Why would you let the entire country see something like that?

 

But those guys don't seem like their acting. It seems like they have genuine problems with women.

 

Could you imagine a show where it consists of 10 women whom don't know how to meet men? I can't. The odds of women who struggle to meet men must be proportionally different than vice versa. I think women struggle more with finding the "right man" rather than "a man", whereas there are far more men who struggle to find "a women" period.

 

It's a daunting task approaching women if you don't know how to. If you don't know how best to do this then you're more likely to not only be rejected, but brutally rebuffed as you will creep them out, make them uncomfortable, not know when to leave, be offensive, etc. If you had superior social skills even if a woman wasn't interested you very likely wouldn't be sending these messages that piss the ladies off.

[Dating Coach]

The other thread got closed right when I was getting out of it for good. Here's my final post I typed and now I am done with the discussion.

 

I'm bowing out of this thread. Just when I thought we were making progress someone posts a picture of Mystery which brings the whole debate right back around to the first page of this thread. I'm leaving with these words:

 

1) Not all PUA's are Players. Some guys learn from PUA to increase their social skills to help them find success in meeting women when all they've found in their previous attempts was ridicule and rejection. PUA has helped give these guys better social skills and enabled them to turn around their misfortune and replace it with success. I know two people whom have done this.

 

2) Mystery knows his stuff. I too think he looks like a freak but that doesn't change the fact that he does offer very solid insight and education. To bypass or ignore those facts and to focus on what someone looks like isn't fair to the point at hand. If he's right, he's right, regardless of looks.

 

3) Good PUA isn't lines. Good PUA is good social skills.

 

That's all I have to say. This one's left for you guys.

[Raiden]

I think DiggityDogg should have his own TV show, lol. For one thing you'd be more credible than this Mystery guy...

 

Sorry, man

[EvaGina]

I havnt seen the shows, but I have read the books and I know a lot of people who use the techniques... and they work... the only girls they dont work on are the ones in commited relationships (although one of the instructions is to find out if she is involved and to STOP flirting if she is) and those who are so embittered by men that they think the guys are playing a joke on them by approaching them.

 

This thread is starting to sound like one of the drug threads... a whole lot of people who have never done them and have been force fed school yard conservative propaganda, trying to educate the people who know what they are talking about... It just doesnt work.

 

3) Good PUA isn't lines. Good PUA is good social skills.

 

Exactly!! I have never read the womens version of the game (it does exist) but I could pick up pretty much anyone if I felt so inclined... Some people need to LEARN the subteltys... others know them from instinct.

[JadedStar]

I think the secret to Mystery's dating success is no magic formula or mystery, but just the simple fact that he exudes confidence.

 

Confident men will have a far larger success rate dating then shy men. It does not even matter if the confident man is super attractive. Women go for confidence and Mystery apparently has a lot of it. So it is not magic or a mystery why he is successful.

 

Guys having trouble dating could fare cheaper IMO if they buy self help books for confidence and self esteem boosting and see a therapist. Gimmicky dating is not going to give them the bang for their buck that good old fashioned self esteem and confidence can.

 

Maybe his technique works, but I would bet money on the fact that it works so well for him because he is an extrovert and very confident. I do not think a very shy or introverted guy is going to have an easy time employing his methods. He first needs to build self esteem and once that is done the dating scene gets easier naturally.

[Raiden]

Perhaps, but... come on. Anyone can see that the whole show (which is what this thread is about, really) is staged.

 

I'm not arguing with you over good social skills is a "must". Kinda goes without saying... But dressing like a pimp and lamenting your scoring-with-chicks techniques is so lame, I can't begin to describe it. Besides, I think it's fake anyway... so, I've rendered my own point there void

 

And btw, don't start bringing anti/pro-drug analogies into this. Please.

[EvaGina]

Perhaps, but... come on. Anyone can see that the whole show (which is what this thread is about, really) is staged.

again, I havnt seen the show, Ken...

 

I'm not arguing with you over good social skills is a "must". Kinda goes without saying... But dressing like a pimp and lamenting your scoring-with-chicks techniques is so lame, I can't begin to describe it. Besides, I think it's fake anyway... so, I've rendered my own point there void

You yourself have admitted you are not socially sucessfull... believe me, from someone who knows what they are talking about... IT WORKS... many shy guys need props, need something to hide behind to gain the courage to approach women.

 

Mystery was a total nerd, living in his mums basement... but HE decided to DO something about it... to stop complaining.

 

And btw, don't start bringing anti/pro-drug analogies into this. Please.

 

alrighty then... I was just trying to point out that YOU dont have any seduction experience, so you dont have much to base your opinions on.

I, on the other hand, do... so telling me (and others who know what they are doing, or have tried the programme) what the programme will do is kinda moot.

[Raiden]

again, I havnt seen the show, Ken...

 

LOL, you might want to. Admittedly, I've only seen bits and pieces on YouTube... but watching him in action looks so orchestrated and fake, to me.

 

You yourself have admitted you are not socially sucessfull... believe me, from someone who knows what they are talking about... IT WORKS... many shy guys need props, need something to hide behind to gain the courage to approach women.

 

Mystery was a total nerd, living in his mums basement... but HE decided to DO something about it... to stop complaining.

 

Oh no, I'm not arguing with you on this one. I'm socially unsuccessful, you're absolutely right. And you might be pleased to know that I'm actively working to improve myself... But that's another topic.

 

In the context of this thread though, I just don't like this guy or what he does, irrespective of whether he's for real or not. As I've said before, I think his show is stupid.

 

It's just my £1.99, however. Those who choose to take him seriously and follow his instructions are free to do so. Lol.

 

alrighty then... I was just trying to point out that YOU dont have any seduction experience, so you dont have much to base your opinions on.

I, on the other hand, do... so telling me (and others who know what they are doing, or have tried the programme) what the programme will do is kinda moot.

 

See above.

[EvaGina]

LOL, you might want to. Admittedly, I've only seen bits and pieces on YouTube... but watching him in action looks so orchestrated and fake, to me.

 

I have seen his instuction videos... when he is just addressing a group, and they make perfect sense. Of course his "moves" seem orchestrated and fake, they are!

Not to mention over-doing things for the sake of demostration...

 

They are tools to help the overly shy guy make moves on chicks... and they WORK... which is all it comes down to.

 

Oh no, I'm not arguing with you on this one. I'm socially unsuccessful, you're absolutely right. And you might be pleased to know that I'm actively working to improve myself... But that's another topic.

 

In the context of this thread though, I just don't like this guy or what he does, irrespective of whether he's for real or not. As I've said before, I think his show is stupid.

 

It's just my £1.99, however. Those who choose to take him seriously and follow his instructions are free to do so. Lol.

 

See above.

 

His show may be "stupid", but the techniques work... how hard is that to understand?

You may not like his hat/show/tattoo... and?

Instead of being all negative, "but but but" ing everything and putting off people who may want to try it... why not just say your piece "I dont like it" instead of trying to de-bunk somthing that you have no knowledge of?

 

This thread isnt about the show, its about the advice he gives and how applicable it is.

 

So, for all of those who arent nay-saying... they do work. Take it from someone who has read all the books, has studied psych, can wrap a man around her finger in 20 second and STILL falls for it, even when I can see exactly what they are doing

[tylercdurden2004]

Exactly. I cant really say more.

[JadedStar]

So, for all of those who arent nay-saying... they do work. Take it from someone who has read all the books, has studied psych, can wrap a man around her finger in 20 second and STILL falls for it, even when I can see exactly what they are doing

 

Then maybe it is an age thing Eva, or differences in personality, because I can do all of those things too, but I don't fall for this stuff like Mystery is doing. As a matter of fact, the smoother a guy tries to act, the more it turns me off.

 

I have studied psych and pretty good at the art of dating and not to shabby at getting my way with men if i want to, but someone like this mystery wouldn't do a thing for me.

 

It's all in the recipient i guess. What works for some won't work for others. I am not dissing the guys who want to follow his works or the gals who say it does work, but I am saying it wouldn't work for me and not all women.

[Raiden]

I have seen his instuction videos... when he is just addressing a group, and they make perfect sense. Of course his "moves" seem orchestrated and fake, they are!

Not to mention over-doing things for the sake of demostration...

 

Aha. Herein lies the problem.

 

It's not talking the talk, it's walking the walk. You've just admitted that "his moves are orchestrated and fake". Ergo, and whichever way you interpret this, I'd like to see him to the same thing right before me in a UK pub. Just a normal, run of the mill boozer on a Saturday night, the archetypical UK nightlife environment...

 

I believe things when I see them. Or at least, I'll believe this when I see it. Lol.

 

Off-topic, but it brings me back to a thread a started a few days ago about the cultural (flirting/dating/etc) differences between the UK and elsewhere... but I ended up deleting it because I was slammed and flamed.

 

They are tools to help the overly shy guy make moves on chicks... and they WORK... which is all it comes down to.

 

Probably. It still seems gimmicky and dumb to me, though.

 

His show may be "stupid", but the techniques work... how hard is that to understand?

You may not like his hat/show/tattoo... and?

 

This thread isnt about the show, its about the advice he gives and how applicable it is.

 

I never said I was outright prejudice about his appearance, full stop. And I'm sorry if I have appear to be so.

 

It's just that it would be nice to have a 'normal'-looking guy, such as moi, doing the same thing. Call it prejudice if you want to, I don't care. It's just when you look at that guy, you can't help but think "fake"... I don't know, must be a UK thing

 

So, for all of those who arent nay-saying... they do work. Take it from someone who has read all the books, has studied psych, can wrap a man around her finger in 20 second and STILL falls for it, even when I can see exactly what they are doing

 

You're a female (and an attractive one at that, I might add, lol). I don't care what you say, a girl approaching a guy is, like, 10,000 times more likely to 'score' than a guy approaching a girl. Irrespective of anything whatsoever.

[Daddy Bear]

The little tricks used by the type of guy who sees Mystery as a sage guru are not social skills, they're mindf___s. How are you going to keep a girl's interest, if you have to read a book just to get it in the first place? The fraud will eventually be discovered by any female looking for substance. That's why the vast majority of PUAs talk about females in derogatory terms and measure their self-worth by how many they can bed, because their character is not improved by these techniques. Look at any PUA website - any one at all - and you'll see how misogynistic the average devotee is. There is no talk of love, only of scoring.

 

This whole thing is a fad. I've been around long enough to spot the trend. Mark my words, in two years Mystery will be on Surreal Life, and all the lemmings will be rushing after another Next Big Thing.

[Daddy Bear]

link removed, in black and white, is a list of commonly used PUA terms. Note that interest in one particular female is derided as "One-Itis," a plain girl is a "Warpig," and that "Player" and "PUA" are interchangeable and listed as a single entry. Trust me when I say that all other PUA websites have pretty much the same list... or, better yet, check it out for yourself.

 

Now, I'm not blaming Mystery for this; rather, it is the mindset of the yucks who have made him an icon. Skim the list, and ask yourself: are these the values you'd want your daughter's boyfriend to have?