Mystery, the Master Pick-Up Artist

[Dating Coach]

they guy is still a joke though. no way to cut it. around for a long time or not. still a joke.

 

This joke would walk into the same bar you're in and pick up the girl you were checking out. You think he is weird or goofy, but he's got extreme social skills.

[ghost69]

This joke would walk into the same bar you're in and pick up the girl you were checking out. You think he is weird or goofy, but he's got extreme social skills.

 

really? that's weird. i don't sit on the sidelines and just check out women bro. i don't need a fuzzy hat and a medallion to have confidence either. yeah, it opens up the way for women to talk to you because it gives them something to discuss. that's about it. so you can point your finger and call me jealous or something, won't work though. u can defend the guy all you want. he's still a freak.

[Dating Coach]

really? that's weird. i don't sit on the sidelines and just check out women bro. i don't need a fuzzy hat and a medallion to have confidence either. yeah, it opens up the way for women to talk to you because it gives them something to discuss. that's about it. so you can point your finger and call me jealous or something, won't work though. u can defend the guy all you want. he's still a freak.

 

I didn't say you sit on the sidelines just to check women out. I just was pointing out that you're ripping on the guy in a hateful way (which is curious) and ignoring the fact that the guy's got major social skills and understand the game. That or you're trying to discredit his skills by attributing "the need to dress like a freak". He's got a lot of knowledge in his head and it's completely besides the fact and pointless to name call the guy because he wears goofy outfits. With or without the getup he's skill got the skills. I don't get his outfits either, and in fact would think that such a thing would be more of a hinderence than a help (not dressing different, but dressing that outrageous).

[Sweet Buttabean Jellayroll]

he aint nothing special, 1st its a TV show so its scripted, and if it isent then hes comfy with himself and dosent give a damn, i can go out and get any woman i want too if i approach her. see confidence, its a mindstate......would i get every girl i talked too? no thats impossible, but i would atleast make friends with 80% of them, and the other 20% are dating prospects. mindstate, mindstate, mindstate......if you believe it you can achieve it your 4th grade teacher wasent lying when she said that

 

and no i dont think its a skill, its good old fashion confidence and the will too be with somone. their selling confidence as this unachieveable status

[ghost69]

I didn't say you sit on the sidelines just to check women out. I just was pointing out that you're ripping on the guy in a hateful way (which is curious) and ignoring the fact that the guy's got major social skills and understand the game. That or you're trying to discredit his skills by attributing "the need to dress like a freak". He's got a lot of knowledge in his head and it's completely besides the fact and pointless to name call the guy because he wears goofy outfits. With or without the getup he's skill got the skills. I don't get his outfits either, and in fact would think that such a thing would be more of a hinderence than a help (not dressing different, but dressing that outrageous).

 

haha, it's not really namecalling. and his dress code isn't the only thing. he has lips tattooed on his neck. i'm not discrediting his skills, but too many posters on here are wondering if they should be following this guy and what he says. sure, he says some good tips and gives advice, but it is a tv show. you have no idea what is scripted and what isn't.

[Timebandit]

I just was pointing out that you're ripping on the guy in a hateful way (which is curious) and ignoring the fact that the guy's got major social skills and understand the game.

 

Yes, the guy probably has a lot of social skills. And as for picking up women as a game, then he masters that too. Nothing wrong about learning how to approach women better, neither...

 

But having skills is not the same as being able to command respect from other people. Putting your skills and energy into being a "pick-up artist" is in my mind a hollow and limited lifestyle, devoid of any integrity. No matter how good he is, he is just another womanizer, making a mockery out of masculinity.

 

He has every right to life his live the way he wants, but he is certainly not the kind of person, I would like to see having impact on young mens lives.

[ghost69]

Yes, the guy probably has a lot of social skills. And as for picking up women as a game, then he masters that too. Nothing wrong about learning how to approach women better, neither...

 

But having skills is not the same as being able to command respect from other people. Putting your skills and energy into being a "pick-up artist" is in my mind a hollow and limited lifestyle, devoid of any integrity. No matter how good he is, he is just another womanizer, making a mockery out of masculinity.

 

He has every right to life his live the way he wants, but he is certainly not the kind of person, I would like to see having impact on young mens lives.

 

he is also married. i love the ironic advice he gives to the single male.

[Dako]

Poor Mystery. So misunderstood.

 

 

LOL.

[Dating Coach]

he aint nothing special, 1st its a TV show so its scripted, and if it isent then hes comfy with himself and dosent give a damn, i can go out and get any woman i want too if i approach her. see confidence, its a mindstate......would i get every girl i talked too? no thats impossible, but i would atleast make friends with 80% of them, and the other 20% are dating prospects. mindstate, mindstate, mindstate......if you believe it you can achieve it your 4th grade teacher wasent lying when she said that

 

and no i dont think its a skill, its good old fashion confidence and the will too be with somone. their selling confidence as this unachieveable status

 

Good for you, you have confidence and can get girlfriends. *Standing Ovation* But what about all of those guys whom can't talk to women and don't even know how? Is the extent of your analysis for them, "Have confidence and talk to women."? That puts the level of your advice on par with everyone elses.

Mystery is offering a much more in depth understanding. One of the things he says is, "Is it Confidence with women? Or is it Competence? If you're jumping from an airplane with a parachute, would you rather have the Confidence to pull the string to open the chute, or the Competence?"

I've noticed that the guys who get pissy about Mystery are either the guys whom draw quick conclusions about what he is doing... or guys whom for whatever reason feel threatened by it and start to compare themselves to him. It's like an ego thing, they don't want to think about the guy having superior skills at conversing with women so they attack the guy. I personally don't get it. The guy took years of his life learning these skills and his helping guys who are like he was. I think that's pretty cool and I respect it.

 

Yes, the guy probably has a lot of social skills. And as for picking up women as a game, then he masters that too. Nothing wrong about learning how to approach women better, neither...

 

But having skills is not the same as being able to command respect from other people. Putting your skills and energy into being a "pick-up artist" is in my mind a hollow and limited lifestyle, devoid of any integrity. No matter how good he is, he is just another womanizer, making a mockery out of masculinity.

 

He has every right to life his live the way he wants, but he is certainly not the kind of person, I would like to see having impact on young mens lives.

 

Isn't he married?

 

Besides that, I commend him. I don't believe in "womanizing" but I do commend figuring out how it works and then helping clueless guys whom are being hurt everyday by their inefficiencey. Look at Spoon on the program. He cried he felt talking to woman was so hard. You can see just how much this is effecting these guys. This kind of stuff isn't rare, there are a lot of guys out there whom find even talking to women difficult, much less being able to attract them. So while some of you look at Mystery and see him as a "bad person" only out to "pick up chicks" but IMO it's being narrow minded. It's drawing a quick conclusion and closing the argument off. Yes, I definitely see "using women" as very wrong, but I'm not convinced that this is really the case. Not only that, but the knowledge that is being shared with these clueless nice guys can help change their life.

[ghost69]

best piece of the post right here. lol

[Dating Coach]

+1 ghost, +1.

[servedcold]

I think Mystery is awesome, here is a guy who has achieved wealth and fame by going out and having a fun nightlife without breaking any laws. I want a job that PAYS me to go out clubbing...

[BManMcFly]

Diggity, ya, he does have an understanding of how attraction works... as much of a douche as the guy looks like, it's all part of his plan.

 

He calls it peacocking, I call it grasping for attention, and the whole speed seduction thing is just lame... I mean, this guy has whole scripted stories to tell women as your own with intent of seducing through words... but the way it's meant to play out would have to be so utterly transparent that it seems sad.

 

I mean come on, if you can't think on your feet what's the point.

[Dating Coach]

He calls it peacocking, I call it grasping for attention, and the whole speed seduction thing is just lame...

 

Peacocking is one thing I don't really get. Now I do get grooming yourself and taking care of yourself, but what I don't get is the pimp hat and makeup. Is it a cry for attention? Yes. Is it a cry for attention because he lacks confidence? No. His cry for attention is merely to make himself more noticeable, not because he doesn't believe he could without it. It's merely one tool to maximize his effect. So lame? Yeah, I think anyone who dresses like that is silly... but I understand the idea behind it. I just don't know how effective it is.

 

Now that I think about it, I bet it's more of a "image" thing he's working on to help him market himself to potential buyers more than he is to females. I am 100% certain that Mystery could meet all the women he wants without the costume, because his theories are sound and proven. So why the get-up? It has to be to market himself, make himself stand out to US. Make him look like he has the answers that we don't know because he's so "different".

 

Peacocking... couldn't it merely be dressing very nice and attention-grabbing? For instance, if you're buff perhaps it could be tight shirts to show off our biceps and chest? If you're money wouldn't wearing an expensive suit be enough to stand out? Or driving a nice car? Sure, this isn't a "guaranteed" pick up, but it's "peacocking" aka "standing out". So why the extreme with makeup, pimp hat, medallion, etc? It must be to market to his audience more than to his target.

 

And to the ladies... women peacock all the time. Nice chest... low V shirt. Nice rump? Tight fitting capri's. Nice face? Makeup and hair. Women peacock more than men IMO. I am not complaining though, it's attractive and it works for them. It can work for guys.

[sddeaston]

Diggity is Mystery's biggest fan

[Clarity]

I think he takes the peacocking a bit to the extreme, but I can respect him for being good at what he does.

 

Does his kind of behavior lead to picking up girls and getting numbers? Sure.

 

Do I believe it would lead to helping one find successful long term relationships? I'm not so sure, because, even though this behavior *may* come natural for Mystery, for the vast majority of guys he's trying to help, it would require them to be something they are not, to represent a personality that is not truly them, but rather just undertaken with the goal of picking up women.

 

As with all PUA's, they may get a lot of numbers, they may get even get a lot of girls to sleep with them as they like to brag about, but many times, it's built on a foundation of deceit and being phony. Also, the attitude and lack of respect that many PUA's (don't know about Mystery, just generalizing here), show for the opposite gender is what makes me sure that that kind of behaviour is not for me. They're mostly interested in getting laid. They're not interested in finding someone special. This is why most PUA sites are flooded with teenage boys. It's not surprising, really.

[Dating Coach]

I think this is a common misconception. Plenty of guys have found success through what Mystery teaches, and have met their life-partner. As I said, it's main goal is to increase a guys skill in a social situation-and particularly with women. What you use that skill for is up to the person learning it. And far more often than not, the guy learning this skill is seeking a life-partner and not just a "ONS".

You see it here on these forums. How many guys do you see on here whom are struggling with women starting threads going... "I've never had a girlfriend! How do I attract women so I can sleep with as many as possible?" I've not seen it. What I have seen are plenty of clueless guys wanting to learn how to attract women so they can find their life-partner.

 

The second thing I disagree with is teaching guys not to be themselves. I disagree. SHYNESS is not who a person is. Shyness is something that prevents a person from being themselves. A shy person isn't shy around their parents are they? Yet they are shy around new people. With their parents they feel comfortable in being themselves, but around new people they aren't. Learning this stuff doesn't make you a new person, it just helps guide a person into overcoming those social barriers that have been hindering them for so long. It's just a skill they lack.

[wester]

I'm just curious as to what people think about something else. Do guys like "Mystery" exist because alot of guys are just insecure and socially inept, or have women (not all women), in a sense, created him and other PUAs by being difficult to meet (ie, by being unapproachable in many instances, having sky-high expectations, etc)?

 

I mean, its just weird that meeting women is such a challenge that there's a TV show and books and DVDs and movies dedicated to the subject. How did social interaction with women get so scary to so many men? I think i said in another post that i know guys who would gladly go fight in Iraq, but who freeze up when it comes to women. How can it be easier to face death than talking to a woman in a bar?

 

So, are guys just screwed up, or do the ladies bear responsibility, or is it both?

[ghost69]

Diggity is Mystery's biggest fan

 

truthiness.

[afrodite79]

I totally agree with you. I've gone to a few pua sites just to see what the heck they were all about. I went to some forums too and it was just pitiful. A lot of the guys that are attracted to this sort of thing seem extremely bitter and hateful towards women. This guy is just making money and sort of taking advantage of desperate guys. He probably doesn't really care about helping anyone.

 

I always wondered what happens after one of these guys gets a girl to date him by using these methods. They can't keep up the charade forever. It's just not genuine or natural. It's crap. I guess it's good for a guy who just wants to have lots of one night stands but not for a guy who wants a real relatonship.

 

I wonder what this guys wife thinks about what he does.

[Dating Coach]

No one is responsible. It's the way things are. If you don't want it that way you could always move to a country where men hold all of the power and women don't have a choice but to obey. Men over there don't struggle as much because it would be a very bad thing for a woman to do so.

 

In a free society this is just how it's going to work. Especially with attractive people. Even a moderately attractive woman is going to walk into the bar dressed all sexy and pretty, and she could have her pick of the litter if she chose to offer herself. Nearly every guy is going to want to jump on that opportunity. Guys generally don't have that luxury. A far fewer percentage of men can walk into a bar or social setting and do the same thing.

 

Supply and Demand. For attractive women, they don't have a problem getting men, their supply of them is high. The opposite is true for men. So there is a big difference in supply and demand. Women have guys trying to get them all the time so naturally they will be more picky because of it, and sometimes aggrivated at all of the guys trying for them. As a guy you don't have to deal with this type of situation often, if ever.

 

So it is the way it is. It's no one's fault.

[Dating Coach]

Those guys aren't the only ones sounding bitter... Mystery may be "taking advantage" of desperate and clueless guys, but he is offering service in return. If these guys are getting something positive out of it then it's not so much taking advantage, it's using your skill to make a living. If he's cheating peopel that's one thing, but he is not.

[Dating Coach]

truthiness.

 

I'd rather be a fan of someone's helpful skill than be a hater of it.

[servedcold]

(Read "The Game" to learn more about his problems),

 

Peacocking - SURE if you have the MONEY to get the car, nice clothes, etc., that's much better than cheap gaudy peacocking. Remember that these PUAs are competing with wealthy men constantly in the most popular clubs. If you don't have the money, best thing to do is buy a cheap cowboy hat, flourescent shirt and cheap shades for $25. This has a dual effect of drawing attention and at the same time parodying the "alpha" men who flash expensive watches, shoes, etc. I used to have an old oily gas station attendant shirt with my name on it that I wore out when I didn't give a crap about appearance or meeting anyone. Guess whether I got more attention from women wearing that shirt or a nice business suit...

 

Also agree that most of the guys buying the PUA stuff online need some kind of help desperately. I can think of a couple posters here (ken you reading this?) who could do with a good dose of PUA schooling, I may even be one of em...

[wester]

" If you don't want it that way you could always move to a country where men hold all of the power and women don't have a choice but to obey."

 

The thought has crossed my mind, but I'm bad at learning to speak other languages, lol. But I have read interviews with American guys whose jobs have relocated them to say, the Far East. These guys say that the women there are just easier to talk to and get along with than than their American counterparts. And its not like a "You, come here, obey me" kind of thing. The women there are just generally friendlier and more open than the women in western countries. And its not just about sex. Dating and forming relationships, these men say, is easier with women in Asia. That makes me think that women and their attitudes may be the real problem alot of the time.