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    Originally Posted by bluecastle
    Maybe this helps, maybe not.

    I've never self-identified as having anxiety, suffering from anxiety, so perhaps I'm not the best person to weigh in. That said, I've had "trouble" sleeping most of my adult life—trouble put in quotes because what I found worked best was to stop thinking of it as problem.

    I probably average 6 hours a night—sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less, and on rare occasions (maybe 5 times a year?) I get 8 or more and emerge feeling like a grizzly taking his first steps after hibernation. Sometimes I wake up at 5am, can't fall back asleep, and start my day before daylight. Sometimes I drift back off and start my day when I come to again. I don't see either one as better than the other. Maybe I'm a bit more tired one day than the other, but is that the worst thing?

    Anyhow, once I started thinking of it all like this something funny happened: I started sleeping better because I stopped freaking out about sleeping. Prior to this I'd tried just about everything, here and there. I'd borrowed some Ambien, I'd smoked pot. I'd sipped bourbon, I'd stopped drinking. Ear plugs, sleep masks, dubious apps. Probably a tea or two or three. I eat very healthy, am ridiculously active physically, do yoga 5-7 days a week and have for a decade, so there wasn't really anything I could add on those fronts.

    Still, most of that stuff proved only temporarily productive. But once I stopped thinking of it as something to think about? Boom—easy. When I'm stressed with work or stressed with life, I probably don't sleep as well. Fine. That's my brain tending to stuff, demanding I tend to it. Sleep will come once it's tended to—tomorrow, the weekend, whenever. If I'm wide awake at 5am it means...I'm supposed to be wide awake at 5am, not that I have a "sleep problem," am "suffering" from something, or that something is "wrong" with me. If I sleep in until 7 or 9 it doesn't mean I "slept well." It just means I slept until I woke up.

    Woo-woo, I know. But, hey, it works for me so here I am sharing it. Again, I don't want to dismiss anxiety etc. as real issues, and I may simply not struggle with anxiety in the acute way of some. But I also don't think feeling anxious—about work, about love, about whatever—is a bad state to be in. It happens. It passes. Doesn't always need to be diagnosed or seen as something to fix or address.
    Bluecastle, I actually totally agree with you. I highly believe in two schools of thinking/practices. One is the Law of Attraction. The other is Traditional Chinese Medicine. In the Law or Attraction the perspective is to stop thinking of it as a problem and that the sleeping issues are caused by your resistance and fretting, for example. In TCM, sleep disturbance is caused by blockages in energy from being upset. That is a very simplistic way to explain it but that is the gist. I do agree with you. I just usually sleep fantastically every night and for 8-9 hours most days. So, when I have sleep disturbance, it can rock me and make me anxious and upset. I get over it eventually and sleep better again but when it happens, I start to grasp for straws to get back on track. Thank you!

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    Originally Posted by maew
    Sleep supplements or drugs don’t work for me... I still get break through anxiety that wakes me up, or I get woken up by hot flashes, or restless legs or some other nonsense. I also have an addictive personality and those types of drugs are dangerous for me as they lead me to a truly dark place in life.

    A few years ago when I was going through my divorce I started using an app called Headspace... guided mindful meditations that come in various forms... I used it pretty consistently every night for a year to manage my anxiety and sometimes during the day... it helped a lot with teaching me how to relate to my anxiety and how to let things go... I am also strict about my sleep hygiene... no TV or computer in the bedroom, no social media or phone calls before bed, black out curtains, white noise, all seem to help. I also do intense exercise, acupuncture and eat really well which all seems to help level me out.

    Much like blue I gave up on the idea of what a good nights sleep “should” look like and learn to accept that it is what it is.

    I also echo leseine’s points about getting to the root cause of your anxiety and dealing with it, otherwise no amount of drugs in the world will help you get a restful nights sleep.
    Thank you, Maew!! I will check out Headspace! I really love guided meditations!

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    Originally Posted by reinventmyself
    I've used Xanax almost every night for several years. I also don't have any dependency issues with it. I realize that sounds like a contradiction.

    My morning commute is 90 minutes in the morning and I pretty much have the same sleep anxiety Blue described. I have to get up very early and being someone who needs 8 hours a night to function, I can pretty much head trip myself out of sleeping. I'll wake up periodically staring at the clock and doing the math.

    Driving makes me sleepy, so without any aid I can be considered a liability on the road. (I used these same words to a new dr who wanted to deny me the xanax. Without any further argument, he wrote me the prescription)

    I notice on days off or an extended vacation, where I have the luxury of falling asleep when I am tired and waking when rested, I don't need to take anything.

    I've read all the horrors of benzo dependency and for reasons I can't explain, it hasn't happened.
    I wore out benadryl years ago and tried melatonin with absolutely no success.

    Looking forward to the day that I don't need anything.
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    I have had a Xanax prescription for 10 years. I have only used it when needed. I have never had to increase the dosage and I have been able to stop it without issue so I agree with you about all of that. I am not into pharmaceuticals at all, funny enough, but I think if something isn’t abused and it helps you, why not?

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    Originally Posted by Nebraskagirl14
    I just usually sleep fantastically every night and for 8-9 hours most days. So, when I have sleep disturbance, it can rock me and make me anxious and upset.
    I think if you Mad Libs this you'll find you just described a pretty basic state of humanity: "I usually [X] every day. So when [Y] happens it can rock me and make me anxious and upset."

    My take is that those are just moments when life is reminding you that both X and Y hold intrinsic value.

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    Below is what helps me sleep, baring in mind that the right setting is vital. Most items inside my bedroom bring me joy and I strive for my bedroom to be a peaceful and comfortable environment. I vary what I do before bedtime.

    - Have a relaxing tea (Chamomile, sleep teas, etc.) before bedtime.
    - Engage in something light, funny and / or uplifting. That means no news, no heavy movies or books. I like to disconnect from the world at night.
    - Listen to calming sounds (rain, forests, etc). I use myNoise (app & web) as it has a beautiful selection, which you can even fine-tune. The website has an incredibly much wider selection of free sounds than the app.
    - Listen to relaxing melodies. Listening to appropriate music generally helps me sleep and helps me with nightmares.
    - Something I have been trying to as of late is breathing in and out slowly when laying on my bed. Apparently breathing techniques help one relax.

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    Originally Posted by bluecastle
    I think if you Mad Libs this you'll find you just described a pretty basic state of humanity: "I usually [X] every day. So when [Y] happens it can rock me and make me anxious and upset."

    My take is that those are just moments when life is reminding you that both X and Y hold intrinsic value.
    There is a lot of really sage wisdom in all that you said , bluecastle, thank you very much :-)

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    Originally Posted by greendots
    Below is what helps me sleep, baring in mind that the right setting is vital. Most items inside my bedroom bring me joy and I strive for my bedroom to be a peaceful and comfortable environment. I vary what I do before bedtime.

    - Have a relaxing tea (Chamomile, sleep teas, etc.) before bedtime.
    - Engage in something light, funny and / or uplifting. That means no news, no heavy movies or books. I like to disconnect from the world at night.
    - Listen to calming sounds (rain, forests, etc). I use myNoise (app & web) as it has a beautiful selection, which you can even fine-tune. The website has an incredibly much wider selection of free sounds than the app.
    - Listen to relaxing melodies. Listening to appropriate music generally helps me sleep and helps me with nightmares.
    - Something I have been trying to as of late is breathing in and out slowly when laying on my bed. Apparently breathing techniques help one relax.
    Thank you, greendots! That is a great reminder to turn my sound machine back on :-) Breathing does help and I’m working on which patterns work best for me Thank you!

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