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    Originally Posted by Batya33
    My comments had nothing to do with any of the race-related issues other than I wrote that if there was harassment (and I meant to include any type of discrimination) of course she should report it ASAP!! My comments did have to do with a U.S. perspective to the extent of employment at will (and at least in private companies it's not typical to have garden leave or similar but that's just my personal experience). Her description seemed to have protocols and procedures and job-related protections that are not common in the U.S. --- but I'm not referring to procedures having to do with racial discrimination or harassment in the workplace - I was referring to her initial frustration about the christmas party and similar. I am really sorry you endured inappropriate comments about your race. What figureitout wrote above might be true for some people and might be some peoples' perceptions and reactions and it is not true for me in the least, not even a little bit. It had nothing to do with my reaction or comments or input.
    Thank you for clarifying this.

    I assumed you meant those big issues with not running to HR in one of your post.

    May be why I got defensive as I do believe big issues should be addressed. Just from working in HR I would encourage those people experiencing the serious matters to come to HR.

    As you said things can be dealt with self help like you did with the heater and sexual harrassment issue. Sorry you has to go through sexual harrassment, it's not nice for a work place.

    But that was due to me saying "any office issue" which I obviously didn't mean the smaller issues. Due to the context of the post I didn't think to specify "only big issues" but I have now learnt to.

    Just the way you was able to deal with your sexual harrassment in the work place has made me realize how different the US is.

    You are lucky to have external support. We can only reach out to those external supports once it's been recorded at work.

    We can't really cut out the middle man which is HR. It's great that you guys can.

    Like I said I found it fasinating seeing the differences between North America and over here in terms of employment.

    "I was referring to her initial frustration about the christmas party and similar"

    With regards to this statement I did show an initial frustration. The only reason I did is I am being treated very differently from another employee that experienced a similar thing to me over the summer.

    She handed her notice in due to issues with her head of department, her line manager and another manger. She was allowed to work her months' notice, go to the summer party, get her collection and have her last day lunch and drinks. Which is all the norm when leaving a job over here.

    Essentially I am in a similar situation she was but placed on Garden leave instead. In this country garden leave is meant to be a mutual agreement between employer and employee. So the fact they didn't specify why I was made me feel frustrated.

    They took that away the run up to leaving a company I love. Which I'm obviously shocked they did despite my loyal service to the company. But it happens and I have got over it.

    So when they offered me a last day and the Christmas party as a kind gesture after not explaining things. Guess I should have been greatful and gone. But like someone else said and I agree with, it's a little juvenile to go. I even feel the same for my last day as I don't need them.

    They have treated me differently from other employees that resign. I've accepted that. Have no longer digged into why as it really doesn't matter.

    Most on this forum may say I'm over reacting. But I've worked in HR. Been involved in employees working their notice and having their exit interview. It's a normal thing to resign and work your notice. Even in HR as my predecessor worked her months' notice.

    I don't feel I'm being overly dramatic as it's obvious they have dealt with it differently. I have now accepted this.

    It has helped discussing it on this forum and not acting on things in real life.

    So thanks all for listening to my ranting.

    Anyway it's approaching the end. By Monday evening it will all be done. Genuinely can't wait!

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    "Just the way you was able to deal with your sexual harrassment in the work place has made me realize how different the US is.

    You are lucky to have external support. We can only reach out to those external supports once it's been recorded at work.

    We can't really cut out the middle man which is HR. It's great that you guys can."


    No, that is not how it works here and I never wrote that it did. I don't know how it works generally, I only shared how I responded when it happened to me in my workplace many years ago and I didn't cut anyone out nor did I have any external support. And you wrote "office issue" and I didn't know how you defined that. It seemed far broader than harassment.

    Glad the end is near for you at that job!

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    Originally Posted by Batya33
    "Just the way you was able to deal with your sexual harrassment in the work place has made me realize how different the US is.

    You are lucky to have external support. We can only reach out to those external supports once it's been recorded at work.

    We can't really cut out the middle man which is HR. It's great that you guys can."


    No, that is not how it works here and I never wrote that it did. I don't know how it works generally, I only shared how I responded when it happened to me in my workplace many years ago and I didn't cut anyone out nor did I have any external support. And you wrote "office issue" and I didn't know how you defined that. It seemed far broader than harassment.

    Glad the end is near for you at that job!
    "Well - no - not every office issue needs to be addressed with HR or even in any formal way. And it's work - you need to get the requisite support to do your job, be productive and contribute to the bottom line. I was freezing in my office last month so I had someone come to check my heater and resolved it. I had an issue with sexual harassment many years ago, consulted confidentially with some trusted friends and a professional and based on their advice was able to address it with self-help. Why? Because it wasn't worth going to HR and burdening those hard working people if I could address it myself. and yes it was an "issue". HR is not your mom and dad or a 3rd grade teacher, ok? Try self-help first, or try to resolve it by thickening your skin and go to HR if you absolutely cannot be productive in your work and contribute to the bottom line."

    Sorry I assumed when you stated profesional it was a support outside outside of work.

    It is a shame you had to go through that on your own. Glad you managed it okay with self help.

    In my company we have a support phone number for all employees dealing with work stress, harassment, money issues and all sorts. We try to take care of employees mental health and encourage they use the help line we pay for.

    So someone in your shoes going through what you went through with sexual harrassment would have been encouraged to use that phone line. Also we really encourage employees to talk to us (HR). As beyond the clerical work of employees records and progress reports. We are there to support there well being as it links to work productivity.

    That's why when I said "office issue". I didn't think of the broader term. As to me the only "office issues" I see from a HR perspective is the lack of support, harrassment and discrimination. That to me is an office issue.

    The little things like working environment we have a facilities team to deal with that. Minor disputes with peers are resolved by managers.

    The big stuff only ever makes it to HR.

    Which is why I agree. HR are not your mum.

    But I only ever went to HR as I genuinely felt my productivity was being effected as I've never experienced work related anxiety. That to me was a big issues. Like the other office issues I had seen.

    Thank you for your views. It is great to look at it from all perspectives.

    Make me incredibly grateful for my employment systems in place in the UK.

    Thank you. Should be all over soon.

    I'll keep those of you that are interested posted.

    :)

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    Yes same here - we have lots of support available.

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