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    blood work ups won't necessarily tell you about a neurological problem.

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    Originally Posted by abitbroken
    blood work ups won't necessarily tell you about a neurological problem.
    Will def look into that!! Well we contacted DRs and made decision to pull him from the stimulants and he has leveled off thus far (no crazy ball of energy looking to act out so impulsively) - obviously we still have to work on the whole picture so we have more Dr appts later today to sort through the remaining concerns -

    The stimulant he was on was the devil ... we know others that tried similar things and that made them zombies the opposite bf what we experienced (so it really depends on the person and diagnosis how they will react)

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    Originally Posted by MrAdversity
    Will def look into that!! Well we contacted DRs and made decision to pull him from the stimulants and he has leveled off thus far (no crazy ball of energy looking to act out so impulsively) - obviously we still have to work on the whole picture so we have more Dr appts later today to sort through the remaining concerns -

    The stimulant he was on was the devil ... we know others that tried similar things and that made them zombies the opposite bf what we experienced (so it really depends on the person and diagnosis how they will react)
    You might want to consider that this child is completely over medicated and get a second, third and even fourth opinion on his drug cocktail and dosage as well. Unfortunately, in the US it's all too common for doctors to throw handfuls of pills at problems and very difficult to find doctors with a better approach. These kinds of drugs can have rather ironic side effects - namely exacerbating the problem or even creating additional psychological problems. You've got to be careful with them.

    Also, have you tried putting him into sports? A distant cousin of mine had severe adhd as a child and sports were a life saver - not only energy wise, but helping the brain focus and get out of the fog. Physical exercise produces positive chemicals in the brain. You might want to try some different sports and see what he likes and what sticks so to speak.

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    Originally Posted by DancingFool
    You might want to consider that this child is completely over medicated and get a second, third and even fourth opinion on his drug cocktail and dosage as well. Unfortunately, in the US it's all too common for doctors to throw handfuls of pills at problems and very difficult to find doctors with a better approach. These kinds of drugs can have rather ironic side effects - namely exacerbating the problem or even creating additional psychological problems. You've got to be careful with them.

    Also, have you tried putting him into sports? A distant cousin of mine had severe adhd as a child and sports were a life saver - not only energy wise, but helping the brain focus and get out of the fog. Physical exercise produces positive chemicals in the brain. You might want to try some different sports and see what he likes and what sticks so to speak.
    We tried programs a year ago with mixed results anything to challenging like karate was a nightmare for him, to structured and sports he did flag football and had a hard time staying with the rules and organization of the groups : playing as a team etc usually went off on his own on the side .. he did do well from what we know in camp for a few hours during the summer months but the school he is in now is like a year round camp anyway ...yes the meds are not a one size fits all and I guess we havenít found the right combo of All things yet

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    Originally Posted by MrAdversity
    Will def look into that!! Well we contacted DRs and made decision to pull him from the stimulants and he has leveled off thus far (no crazy ball of energy looking to act out so impulsively) - obviously we still have to work on the whole picture so we have more Dr appts later today to sort through the remaining concerns -

    The stimulant he was on was the devil ... we know others that tried similar things and that made them zombies the opposite bf what we experienced (so it really depends on the person and diagnosis how they will react)
    I would definitely see a neurologist and mention the head banging. A doctor of psychiatry knows a lot, but if there is something actually short circuiting in the brain, or there was a situation where he was deprived of oxygen in the womb, etc, a neurologist can dig deeper. The psychiatrist can deal with moods but if something is going on that's physical with the brain -- the neuro is who you need to see just to rule things out or see what else he can be helped with or get a better understanding.

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    We tried programs a year ago with mixed results anything to challenging like karate was a nightmare for him, to structured and sports he did flag football and had a hard time staying with the rules and organization of the groups : playing as a team etc usually went off on his own on the side .. he did do well from what we know in camp for a few hours during the summer months but the school he is in now is like a year round camp anyway ...yes the meds are not a one size fits all and I guess we havenít found the right combo of All things yet
    You know he can't handle the structure -- kids who can't understand structure sometimes respond to unstructured time outside -- make it up as you go along type of games, etc, just exploring and looking for different leafs and bugs in the woods (with of course supervision).

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    True. Only a qualified pediatric neurologist can do all the appropriate exams, studies, labs, etc including brain imaging, genetic testing, etc. Throwing random stimulants like m&ms at a child like this is going to make matters much worse. Particularly without a specific, accurate diagnosis and more evidence based and targeted, rather than trendy, treatment.
    Originally Posted by abitbroken
    blood work ups won't necessarily tell you about a neurological problem.

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    You might want to consider that this child is completely over medicated and get a second, third and even fourth opinion on his drug cocktail and dosage as well. Unfortunately, in the US it's all too common for doctors to throw handfuls of pills at problems and very difficult to find doctors with a better approach.
    It depends on state regulations for neurological narcotics. Some are more strict than others. When I was living in Pennsylvania it was a requirement for me to attend sessions with a behavioral specialist AND the psychiatrist before they could prescribe any refills for Concerta (ADHD meds). I moved to another state a couple years.... hey cool, I can get the same prescription from a family doctor without any referrals from a therapist. However I had to have former evaluations dating back to my childhood proving my diagnosis, but nothing current.

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    Originally Posted by Snny
    It depends on state regulations for neurological narcotics. Some are more strict than others. When I was living in Pennsylvania it was a requirement for me to attend sessions with a behavioral specialist AND the psychiatrist before they could prescribe any refills for Concerta (ADHD meds). I moved to another state a couple years.... hey cool, I can get the same prescription from a family doctor without any referrals from a therapist. However I had to have former evaluations dating back to my childhood proving my diagnosis, but nothing current.
    Update he is doing better but that is subjective as the medication he is on causes strange behaviors at night (food binging and complete messes, and total forgetfulness doing things 4-5x after repeatedly asked and asked to repeat instructions ) the food thing is the worst in which he tries to hide some, but leaves it for every one to find - the strange thing of all is even with consequences he has no idea its even happening and continues to demonstrate it night after night ...

    He also continues to test his new school, trying to get out of activity he doesn't want to do (put a rock in his mouth, and tried to eat a flower) to get negative attention and get out of work - things he would never try at home .... he also has a habit of taking things he knows hes not suppose to touch knowing he will get in trouble

    While we know some is kid behavior the other 90 % is just frustrating - and our emergency appt. with the psychiatrist was once again a joke - "so we stopped the stimulant and he is doing better?" Ok lets see where he is at 2 weeks from now ... I asked about a pediatric neuro and he said "There is no magic answer in mental health your free to bring him there but i am not sure what your goal is " Yes i went off on him - this is the world of I don't care or they don't pay me enough to deal with this, we live in -

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    I can't fathom how frustrating this is for you guys... Have you tried talking to the kid? (stupid question, but I had to ask) Just a normal, no pressure convo. I still wonder if you can trace his behavior change to a specific event that had happened?

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    Sorry this is happening. Definitely just take him to a pediatric neurologist, your wife doesn't need this shrinks approval to do so. Many things in this age group can be neurological, genetic, metabolic, etc. and not just mental health, even though the manifestations are of course behavioral. It's important to note that throwing drugs around empirically, particularly in the pediatric population, can cause more harm than good, create permanent damage in a developing brain and does not get to the root causes so does not address this child's issues and needs. The good of any treatment must outweigh the bad, remember...first do no harm, right?
    Originally Posted by MrAdversity
    I asked about a pediatric neuro and he said "There is no magic answer in mental health your free to bring him there but i am not sure what your goal is "

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