Originally Posted by RomanticFool
I didn't mean to make out most working class English people live like that, they absolutely don't. But it's like you've pointed out, if the parents are like that, the kids are like that - it's a self perpetuating cycle.
I absolutely get that it's not predominantly a poverty thing, there's a big element of it being her own fault, and that of her mum for not bringing her up properly. I just don't like judging her for that.
I'll have a proper chat with her and make it clear she needs to sort it out, it's just finding a way not to hurt her too badly by telling her other people think of her like this.