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I read through these post and its obvious. There is no point to anything. If there is a god then its obvious this is all one giant drama tv show for his self gratification. For us to presume anything else is just highly wishful thinking (aka faith). Each of us wanders around blind in the dark looking purpose and happiness. We push each other to the ground, crawl over each other, hurt each other in that dark room. Every so often we come accross others who we can hold hands with in that dark room...but quite often....with the realization that we're truly alone in the dark regardless...it falls apart. That is the horror of life...the darkness that is behind every wall, every door, hidden in every pretty little flower and in the eyes of those that claim to love us. We can't "light" up the darkness. We try with drugs, Jesus, hope, love, adventure, philosophy and sex. But its an illusion. Its closing your eyes in the dark room and imagining light. Fact of the matter is 'our' brains have gotten too big for our souls...there is no happiness here. The best I can hope for is putting a bullet between my eyes and then there not being anything after that. For if there is a god...his motives are NOT in our favor. But like every creature....like every person in a relationship that says "you make ME feel good"...its about him and our souls are expendable. Religious fanatics would say "OK...we are here to serve him after all." But in the end...when we've been created for an eternity of suffering and destitute...are we really that obligated? We are god...but even so...we're still trapped in a room and this heaven turned to hell....is our escape from the darkness.

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"Well, you've shed the most darkness on it that I've heard in a long time. What about buying ferraris? Why would I want to leave before I'm done buying ferraris?"

 

I'm glad you can afford Ferrari's.

I'm glad you can have fun.

 

Fun is just a gadget to numb you temporarily to the dark reality that we're monkeys that rape and kill each other. We sell fast food to each other...killing health...but making a buck. We fly planes into buildings and buy gas guzzling cars while family's get evicted and corporations get huge huge bailouts. What you call fun...i call an self induced illusion to blind yourself from the monsters in you peripheral vision.

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Try to internalise, and not externalise. Faith comes from within and the outside world is irrelevent. Light comes from within you, and once you master that you can project it out and help others see it.

so what you say enforces my view that the world is crappy enough to where you have to rely on faith (highly wishful thinking). And basically pretend there is goodness where there is not. Then you proceed to say I should disillusion others into thinking there is hope where all evidence (and lack thereof) indicates there is not. Your advice.....close your eyes and smile and think happy thoughts. Smile...in the dark room.

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"Well, you've shed the most darkness on it that I've heard in a long time. What about buying ferraris? Why would I want to leave before I'm done buying ferraris?"

 

I'm glad you can afford Ferrari's.

I'm glad you can have fun.

 

Fun is just a gadget to numb you temporarily to the dark reality that we're monkeys that rape and kill each other. We sell fast food to each other...killing health...but making a buck. We fly planes into buildings and buy gas guzzling cars while family's get evicted and corporations get huge huge bailouts. What you call fun...i call an self induced illusion to blind yourself from the monsters in you peripheral vision.

 

 

You need to learn how to have fun, seriously. Life is about way more than death and taxes. Try to find something to do or observe that brings you joy, happiness, or pleasure. You need some balance. There are more negative things in life than one can count, but there are also more positive things in life than one can count as well. If you weren't open-minded about discovering them I doubt you'd be here talking about it.

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God. All good and all that crap. Ooo la la. I'm agnostic btw. But as an ex-catholic...

 

God created men with the ability to independently think yet demands blind worship in a world (which he also created) of pain and suffering, death, 911s, holocaust, aids and carrot-top. On top of that...he lets some people be born in highly religious or equivalently "good" families and others be born in ghetto environments that promotes self destruction and sadomasochism. From what i can tell if this is a God-Man setup...he's basically up there jerking off to what he sees while eating bonbons. Faith...its just your fortitude speaking....fortitude in keeping yourself from seeing the awful truth that you're just an expendable porn-star on gods computer screen and sooner than later will outlive your usefullness.

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What exactly is bugging you?

 

Is it school? Your family? Friends (or lack of)?

 

I only ever get suicidal when I feel massive pressure from school. Then my whole life just seems to fail apart.

 

Tackle the issue that is causing them and you can stop feeling this way.

Nothing specific. What bugs me is what i see when i drive down the street, what i hear around corners, kids stuffing their fat faces with burgers, people treating each other like crap then justifying it. What bugs me is the news...the confusion...the misdirection. What bugs me is planes crashing half filled with kids. What bugs me is people serving not each other but a government that is highly mismanaged. What bugs me is everyone wants this to be a fairy tale with a happy ending....but when I can conceive of a scenario where that's not the case and the world is obvious and dry...then I'm labeled as close minded. What amazes me is how everyone is so desperate to disillusion themselves.

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You need to learn how to have fun, seriously. Life is about way more than death and taxes. Try to find something to do or observe that brings you joy, happiness, or pleasure. You need some balance. There are more negative things in life than one can count, but there are also more positive things in life than one can count as well. If you weren't open-minded about discovering them I doubt you'd be here talking about it.

I will not put on blinders to reality. I will not inject myself with a dose of disillusionment so I won't have to devote my mental processes to analyzing a world so FUBAR. Everyone wants to believe that those that 'give up on life' are mentally flawed. But have you ever asked yourself...what if THAT is not the case. What if they are just waking up to reality and its YOU...so desperate to hold onto your dream that you'll spout anything...as nonsensical as it might be...to stop them...to keep them in YOUR dream.

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I will not put on blinders to reality. I will not inject myself with a dose of disillusionment so I won't have to devote my mental processes to analyzing a world so FUBAR. Everyone wants to believe that those that 'give up on life' are mentally flawed. But have you ever asked yourself...what if THAT is not the case. What if they are just waking up to reality and its YOU...so desperate to hold onto your dream that you'll spout anything...as nonsensical as it might be...to stop them...to keep them in YOUR dream.

 

I'm not the desperate one, this is your topic.

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so what you say enforces my view that the world is crappy enough to where you have to rely on faith (highly wishful thinking). And basically pretend there is goodness where there is not. Then you proceed to say I should disillusion others into thinking there is hope where all evidence (and lack thereof) indicates there is not. Your advice.....close your eyes and smile and think happy thoughts. Smile...in the dark room.

 

Not at all! I'm saying you're missing the absolute basis of all religions, all faiths, all belief systems, all spiritualism, all bodies of transcendal thought, whatever else there is - "God" is within each of us to start with, and it's your own personal responsibility to unleash the good from within you. Then you can change the world in the long term, and your surroundings in the short term. You sound as if the world owes you happiness - I'm telling you you have it in you anyway, and it's your responsibility to give it befotre receiving it.

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I'm far from desperate. I just want to spread my message...it just happens to be opposite of yours.

 

Why do people always feel the need to tell you that you are wrong for how you feel? No one has any real solutions...no magic ticket...nothing to make it all better except: "suck it up cuz I suck it up". When it all comes down to it...that is what they are saying. They try to guilt you and all but promise it will get better. But what if it doesn't and the rest of your life is agony waiting for an escape that will never come.

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Not at all! I'm saying you're missing the absolute basis of all religions, all faiths, all belief systems, all spiritualism, all bodies of transcendal thought, whatever else there is - "God" is within each of us to start with, and it's your own personal responsibility to unleash the good from within you. Then you can change the world in the long term, and your surroundings in the short term. You sound as if the world owes you happiness - I'm telling you you have it in you anyway, and it's your responsibility to give it befotre receiving it.

"it's your own personal responsibility to unleash the good from within you"

I don't want that responsibility. And I don't' see where it is written i have it. To get my refund I just have to jump. And i don't think the world owes me happiness...but at the very least it doesn't have to suck me dry of being content.

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I'm far from desperate. I just want to spread my message...it just happens to be opposite of yours.

 

Why do people always feel the need to tell you that you are wrong for how you feel? No one has any real solutions...no magic ticket...nothing to make it all better except: "suck it up cuz I suck it up". When it all comes down to it...that is what they are saying. They try to guilt you and all but promise it will get better. But what if it doesn't and the rest of your life is agony waiting for an escape that will never come.

 

We come to ena to feel better and to help others feel better. If that is not your aim then your purpose here would seem limited to the point of non-existent.

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"it's your own personal responsibility to unleash the good from within you"

I don't want that responsibility. And I don't' see where it is written i have it. To get my refund I just have to jump. And i don't think the world owes me happiness...but at the very least it doesn't have to suck me dry of being content.

 

It's the way nature works though. You're born, you propagate against all odds, you die. Your point is correct, and yes in theory, you have a multitude of choices of how to progress from that starting point, one of which is to get off the ride.

 

Having said that, living on the edge of danger, risking being out of your confort zone, taking the chance to be happy, all can lead you to true contentment, where the pain of the world no longer affects you. That't the prize, if you like. Otherwise, yeah sure, just switch off. Just bear in mind what stain you leave behind.

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lol everyone comes here to load up on their internal supply of self-indulgent-life-is-grand-bs. But nothing you can do can stop the leak in their [souls] for lack of a better word. People are waking up...their ships are taking on water and nothing they can do can save themselves from the deep blue cold abyss.

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lol everyone comes here to load up on their internal supply of self-indulgent-life-is-grand-bs. But nothing you can do can stop the leak in their [souls] for lack of a better word. People are waking up...their ships are taking on water and nothing they can do can save themselves from the deep blue cold abyss.

 

Do you want help?

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They try to guilt you and all but promise it will get better. But what if it doesn't and the rest of your life is agony waiting for an escape that will never come.

 

And what if it does?

 

What have you tried so far to get better?

 

What bugs me is planes crashing half filled with kids.

 

Yes, that is indeed terrible- but according to your view, why does it matter life is worthless and has no point anyways?

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It's the way nature works though. You're born, you propagate against all odds, you die. Your point is correct, and yes in theory, you have a multitude of choices of how to progress from that starting point, one of which is to get off the ride.

 

Having said that, living on the edge of danger, risking being out of your confort zone, taking the chance to be happy, all can lead you to true contentment, where the pain of the world no longer affects you. That't the prize, if you like. Otherwise, yeah sure, just switch off. Just bear in mind what stain you leave behind.

"living on the edge of danger, risking being out of your comfort zone, taking the chance to be happy". But still...whats the point. It just an internal disillusionment. you said it yourself: "where the pain of the world no longer affects you". Truth be told...the pain is still there. What if enlightenment...is really just accepting the pain and suffering and following through with our own demise...rather than trying to run away from it all our lives and "numb" ourselves....as you described.

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And what if it does?

 

What have you tried so far to get better?

 

 

 

Yes, that is indeed terrible- but according to your view, why does it matter life is worthless and has no point anyways?

Oh i never said life in its truest form was worthless. Only in the context that in the world humans have created...its is indeed worthless. There are machines that exist only for the express purpose of tearing your body apart. That one-in-a-million nugget of relevant information is proof enough of how * * * * ed up this universe is. And what can anyone do to make themselves "get better" that really isn't a form of anesthesia? On top of that...your statement comes from the premise you're in a 'better' position than I am. But people speak in terms of test (as in "testing faith"). What if this life is just a test to see if you can really perceive it for what it is and take your exit on your own free will...rather than hang around like a scared sheep waiting for salvation.

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