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I didn't have time to read the whole article but i got the gist of it. Personally i think when women act like that it is very degrading to themselves and to thier man (if they have one) Personally I would never date a girl that would flaunt herself like that. I am somewhat repulsed by it.

 

But of course i am hypocritical because i do watch porn on a semi-regular basis

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She's talking about teenage girls. Girls that are still mentally growing up.

 

These girls do these things because they haven't really thought about what they're doing. They're into the quick fix of power they get from dressing sexy or whatnot. Addicted to it. Being social removes the need to think. If you can't get along with people you start thinking why. And when you start thinking the brain gets used to it and you start thinking about other things as well. And you get hooked on that for a change.

 

I still can't understand why girls can't see what men really think of them. Most of these "s.l.u.t.s" honestly don't know that men have no respect for them.

 

Media loves powerful women these days, and most of the time they're depicted as very sexy as well. But if you strip the sexy part out, the power fades away. Who cares about a powerful woman if she's not hot? The powerful women in the media are always very sexual. Just look at Sex in the City etc. It's incredible to me that that show is so popular. Or was. I have no idea if they still make it - don't really care either though.

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There was a similar article I read in Macleans abotu the same book but the article was much longer yet very similar. Puddle I don't think levy is talking about teenage girls most of her examples in the Macleans article refer to specific adults in both real life and the media.

 

The book isn't about how teenage girls are suddenyl acting all "sl*tty". This article is about how comercialism is so prominant and so pornagraphic in our society that many women feel that that media portrayal is how we are supposed to view ourselves sexually. Anyone looked at designer clothing advertisments lately half of Dolce and Gabbana's models look like somebody jsut dose them with roofies. Sexual gratification is ascociated with subordinated so many women have start to feel in order to be sexually liberated they must fill that role.

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Oh, I was talking about the article, not about Levy's work.

 

I'd be a great feminist: I hate sex. Sex is responsible for the moral downfall of the western society! And now it's creeping its way to Asia as well, which I hate so much. I don't think Europe is a good place to bring up kids because of all those Dolce & Gabbana posters. 10 year olds know what sex is and that it feels good. So they want to try it. But obviously they can't understand the psychosocial effects of it.

 

All countries and continents have their problems, I'm just sick of this one in particular.

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It is interesting, really. It's certain that there is a wide diversity of opinion on this.

 

I've often had the thought, for example, that the recent rise of rather commonplace casual sex among younger people (particularly younger women) ... which is in part an aspect of what the article is discussing ... was really like the men winning the argument with feminism. I mean, it's nothing new that many young men aged 16-24 have sought out casual sex with women. What seems new is that now some/many women in the same group (and older) are seeking out casual sex with men, and some feminists support this because it is sexually 'liberating' for the young women ... the ironic thing is, the young men are getting exactly what they want, what they always wanted really ... sex without strings. I think you can put the label of 'liberation' on that if you wish, but it certainly doesn't seem particularly liberating to me ... it seems like the young men get exactly what they've always wanted.

 

Every so often here the popular (and humorous) book "He's Just Not That Into You" will be mentioned somewhere here. There's another book called "Be Honest, You're Not That Into Him Either", which talks about the phenomenon of the rise of casual sex among young women, and some of the issues it causes in young women (which, interestingly, do not seem to be the case with young men) ... the author, a sex therapist, points out that because of hormones and other biochemistry, sex is more of an 'emotional bonding' experience for women than it is for men, and as a result many young women have a harder time managing the emotional fallout of casual sex than young men do, and sometimes end up getting more involved emotionally with men they may not have gotten as attached to if it weren't for the sex.

 

I'm not a prude at all. I think people should be able to do what they want. But to be honest I can't help but find it humorous that some women seem to think availability for casual sex is liberating and feminist. I can't help but think that many men, when reading that, think "Damn! I was a feminist all along, and I never even knew it!"

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nova seeker says:

"the ironic thing is, the young men are getting exactly what they want, what they always wanted really ... sex without strings. I think you can put the label of 'liberation' on that if you wish, but it certainly doesn't seem particularly liberating to me ... it seems like the young men get exactly what they've always wanted. "

 

Exactly. which is why marriage and the "old" way of life no longer exist {at least its not common or it doesnt last}. it seems to me that its getting to the point of women dont need men, and men dont need women. we can have all of the perks for free! men want that one thing {yes, i know not ALL of them} and now women give it away bec. it is no longer frowned upon,and if men can do it so can women!!! they are looking to "change the game" so to speak, and so why in the world would anyone choose to commit when this is how the world works? yeah liberation, what happened to morals? right and wrong? now its anything goes, and people would probably end up saying it depends on each individuals idea of right and wrong. there is no end to this argument. i think its great that people arent afraid to do what they feel "good" about anymore, but i also feel like its the instant gratification of "good". it has nothing to do what is good for the soul,whats inside but what makes them feel like they have conquered something. the feeling wont last, and they soon take it a step further to get that "good" feeling back. i think people have always had this side in them, but now you get praise for lettin the raunch come out. when i go out, i usually end up going home thinking "what in sam h**l is going on out there?" im disturbed. strong women are amazing, i am one of them, and im even sexy, but being sexy isnt being 1/2 dressed, but that isnt even the point. there is so much more to sexy. the world portrays the cheap version of sexy, there is nothing to it, no substance, just a certain attitude of "i do what i want", "i use men"...{which i can understand this portion of rebellion considering that in all honesty woman have been used for quite some time, and have just come to the point of, okay then i can use you too}.

the body is a beautiful thing, and showing it off at certain times, understandably makes you feel powerful. obviously the men dont run away if your cute lil tummy is showing, or if your breasts are making themselves known. so yeah, its easy to feel powerful when men fall all over you when you wear a half shirt. but its not real power.

 

sorry for the little rant, but my friend and i were just talking about the above. i dont understand what provokes people to take things as far as they do.

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