People who use the bible to rub your mistakes in your face

Diggitydave · 06-21-2008, 09:29 AM

Recently i was in an argument with someone and after I said something they said "the bible talks about this, you're messed up".
That made me feel twice as bad, as I thought God was telling me i was messed up.

Anyway,
can anyone comment on this?

**BlueAfterglow08** · 06-21-2008, 09:32 AM

The Bible, with all due respect, what written a very long time ago and although it is considered the word of God. It was written by men. Just because the bible says one thing doesnt mean your messed up, and plus God doesnt think people are 'messed up' God is there to help, guide and forgive. Not to judge. So if anything Gods there as guidance through your 'messed up' times.

girl friend · 06-21-2008, 09:33 AM

I think most Christians struggle with the battle between Fundamentalism and Liberalism at least at some point. Theres the view that God loves us, and trusts us and gives us freedom. Then theres the view that God gives us careful instruction about how to conduct ourselves and that straying from what the Bible says is a sin. Its up to each person to find their own understanding and practicalities in tone with todays society and their own personal relationship with God. God certainly knows you care. And religion can really really screw people up, excuse the technical term but it can! Thats organised religion. Loving God seems so far away from religion sometimes.

Anyhow, i fear this may turn into a religious debate.

Perhaps it might be more productive to talk about your feelings towards this..?

girl friend

Godless_Heathen · 06-21-2008, 09:39 AM

I'm an unbeliever, but Blue's take is probably best if you do believe. Some people are very small souled, they believe that God is small souled as well, and they search in the Bible for words to justify how they feel.

Without knowing the specifics, it's hard to comment further, but I assume you believe that God is at least as reasonable and understanding as your friends. If your friends think you're OK, why do you think God is going to be less understanding?

I'mThatGirl · 06-21-2008, 09:48 AM

Basically anyone who states "the bible states this and you are messed up," are "judging" you and attempting to use this as a way to get you to see some point and maybe question yourself.

I've had friends who had boyfriends that although were Christians did not live by the bible. However, they were always quick to point out mistakes and that my friends were not living by God and telling them to look at specific verses in the bible. Those friends boyfriends were also very manipulative and verbally abusive.

God's word is to not judge others or hold Christianity or other religion above others, isn't it? Teaching and helping others through life's lessons through compassion, understanding, care, and love, yes. But telling you that you are messed up? If you have a friend who is doing this to you, I'd definitely consider what lessons you may learn as far as being the person that you want to be but don't question yourself over and over and feel like you aren't a good person.

girl friend · 06-21-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAfterglow08

The Bible, with all due respect, what written a very long time ago and although it is considered the word of God. It was written by men. Just because the bible says one thing doesnt mean your messed up, and plus God doesnt think people are 'messed up' God is there to help, guide and forgive. Not to judge. So if anything Gods there as guidance through your 'messed up' times.

Jesus didn't come for the healthy, he came for the sick. Those in need. he's everyones friend.

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Originally Posted by Diggitydave

Recently i was in an argument with someone and after I said something they said "the bible talks about this, you're messed up".
That made me feel twice as bad,

What was the thing your friend said Diggitydave? Something to do with sexuality or sexual morality by any chance? x

**BlueAfterglow08** · 06-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Exactly, god, jesus christ, is to help people through their worst times and show them the light and direction in their lives.

I believe anyone, regardless of religion etc or if they believe in God, who lives a good life and loves, and doesnt hurt others, will go to heaven.

girl friend · 06-21-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueAfterglow08

Exactly, god, jesus christ, is to help people through their worst times and show them the light and direction in their lives.

I believe anyone, regardless of religion etc or if they believe in God, who lives a good life and loves, and doesnt hurt others, will go to heaven.

Id like to believe in that too, so much. But the Bible talks of justice, and judgment, and hell. And Jesus separating the sheep and the goats. Recognising the people who knew him. Are we just in denial? Afraid to accept it?

I'mThatGirl · 06-21-2008, 09:56 AM

(( Isn't it a rule to not discuss religion on ENA? ))

Be careful to keep this on subject rather than making it a debate on God and the bible.

girl friend · 06-21-2008, 09:56 AM

HAZARD WARNING - THIS IS TURNING INTO A RELIGIOUS DEBATE!!!

How about we discuss how this makes us feel. I often think that the people that Diggerty talks of must have some insecurity which they use religion to put people down to make themselves feel better...

06-21-2008, 09:29 AM	#1
Diggitydave Offline Silver Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Bucks, County PA Gender: Male Age: 31 Posts: 790	People who use the bible to rub your mistakes in your face Recently i was in an argument with someone and after I said something they said "the bible talks about this, you're messed up". That made me feel twice as bad, as I thought God was telling me i was messed up. Anyway, can anyone comment on this? __________________ Fight through pain, fight through guilt and shame, fight and don't let your feelings control your destiny, show the world who you are, and NEVER give up! You are special, precious, and very important no matter what you did or was done to you!

06-21-2008, 09:33 AM	#3
girl friend Offline Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: England, North Gender: Female Age: 22 Posts: 1,656	I think most Christians struggle with the battle between Fundamentalism and Liberalism at least at some point. Theres the view that God loves us, and trusts us and gives us freedom. Then theres the view that God gives us careful instruction about how to conduct ourselves and that straying from what the Bible says is a sin. Its up to each person to find their own understanding and practicalities in tone with todays society and their own personal relationship with God. God certainly knows you care. And religion can really really screw people up, excuse the technical term but it can! Thats organised religion. Loving God seems so far away from religion sometimes. Anyhow, i fear this may turn into a religious debate. Perhaps it might be more productive to talk about your feelings towards this..? girl friend __________________ "I always find it uncanny when I can't understand someone in terms of myself." Sigmund Freud 'Did you know that every species of mammal has found some way to temporarily drug, inebriate or anaesthetise itself; even if its just banging its head against a rock. Its seems we all have some natural urge to just get away from ourselves for a while. I've had it for as long as i can remember.'

06-21-2008, 09:48 AM	#5
I'mThatGirl Offline Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere Out There Gender: Female Age: 31 Posts: 4,874	Basically anyone who states "the bible states this and you are messed up," are "judging" you and attempting to use this as a way to get you to see some point and maybe question yourself. I've had friends who had boyfriends that although were Christians did not live by the bible. However, they were always quick to point out mistakes and that my friends were not living by God and telling them to look at specific verses in the bible. Those friends boyfriends were also very manipulative and verbally abusive. God's word is to not judge others or hold Christianity or other religion above others, isn't it? Teaching and helping others through life's lessons through compassion, understanding, care, and love, yes. But telling you that you are messed up? If you have a friend who is doing this to you, I'd definitely consider what lessons you may learn as far as being the person that you want to be but don't question yourself over and over and feel like you aren't a good person. __________________ Never make someone your priority when they only make you their option. Never waste time on someone not willing to waste or share time with you. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Wonder of these days.... how do they sleep at night? How? Is there something I'm missing? In search of. . . . understanding I guess.

06-21-2008, 09:56 AM	#9
I'mThatGirl Offline Platinum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere Out There Gender: Female Age: 31 Posts: 4,874	(( Isn't it a rule to not discuss religion on ENA? )) Be careful to keep this on subject rather than making it a debate on God and the bible. __________________ Never make someone your priority when they only make you their option. Never waste time on someone not willing to waste or share time with you. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein Wonder of these days.... how do they sleep at night? How? Is there something I'm missing? In search of. . . . understanding I guess.

06-21-2008, 09:56 AM	#10
girl friend Offline Platinum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: England, North Gender: Female Age: 22 Posts: 1,656	HAZARD WARNING - THIS IS TURNING INTO A RELIGIOUS DEBATE!!! How about we discuss how this makes us feel. I often think that the people that Diggerty talks of must have some insecurity which they use religion to put people down to make themselves feel better... __________________ "I always find it uncanny when I can't understand someone in terms of myself." Sigmund Freud 'Did you know that every species of mammal has found some way to temporarily drug, inebriate or anaesthetise itself; even if its just banging its head against a rock. Its seems we all have some natural urge to just get away from ourselves for a while. I've had it for as long as i can remember.'

06-21-2008, 09:32 AM	#2
BlueAfterglow08 Offline Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 5,249	The Bible, with all due respect, what written a very long time ago and although it is considered the word of God. It was written by men. Just because the bible says one thing doesnt mean your messed up, and plus God doesnt think people are 'messed up' God is there to help, guide and forgive. Not to judge. So if anything Gods there as guidance through your 'messed up' times.

06-21-2008, 09:39 AM	#4
Godless_Heathen Offline Bronze Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boston Gender: Male Age: 44 Posts: 255	I'm an unbeliever, but Blue's take is probably best if you do believe. Some people are very small souled, they believe that God is small souled as well, and they search in the Bible for words to justify how they feel. Without knowing the specifics, it's hard to comment further, but I assume you believe that God is at least as reasonable and understanding as your friends. If your friends think you're OK, why do you think God is going to be less understanding?

06-21-2008, 09:50 AM	#7
BlueAfterglow08 Offline Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK Gender: Female Age: 20 Posts: 5,249	Exactly, god, jesus christ, is to help people through their worst times and show them the light and direction in their lives. I believe anyone, regardless of religion etc or if they believe in God, who lives a good life and loves, and doesnt hurt others, will go to heaven.