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Catiline Orations, by Cicero Elegies, by Propertius Odes, Epodes, by Horace

So many things to say on the subject. But I won't - again, because these debates never end. StrawberryYogurt, Maybe it is a good thing that we are underrepresented in the media. The old proverb says, "A big tree blocks the wind." We Asians are thriving in North America. We are very successful. But success attracts envy and resentment. It is better that people don't notice us that much, because then we'll thrive forever. It doesn't matter what other peoples think of us. What matters is that our people wax stronger everyday. Then our children won't be bullied. Humility is our ancestors' chief wisdom. Especially since we are so successful in western societies in general, we have to make friends with other peoples. Sometimes, it is worthwhile to give up immediate advantages, if that buys us the good will of other peoples. If antiquity of settlement means anything, then our people have as much right to these lands as any other peoples (except the First Nations). But the reality is that we are a minority. We are the weaker people. As long as our sons and daughters are respected, then we don't have to haggle over every hair-thin difference. And speaking of interracial relationships - I have no problem with westerners marrying our women. First, men imagine that they tame women, but in reality, women tame men. When westerners marry our women, they marry into our people. We are gaining sons-in-law who will help us in hard times. Many westerners are so pure-hearted. When I was in China, I saw many westerners who married into Chinese families. These westerners were in love with everything China. Although they came from faraway shores, they devoted their lives to the advantages of our people. They were so passionate about our people. They moved me - and shamed me, because our own people don't display a tenth of their sincerity. Surely these westerners are a hidden pillar in our house of China. I would have no problem with my sister or cousins marrying western men like that, as long as they respect our people, our traditions, and our culture. After the last two centuries of humiliation, our people have so much to be thankful for, to be where we're at today. I wish that good times last forever, and bad times never come. But that's impossible. I think though, that if we do our parts right, if we never forget where we came from, then we will always find wide, envelopping tree-shelters when it rains, and our own place to play and dance when it shines.

I don't want to write too much about this, because these debates never end. The vast majority of women don't care about race. Race is irrelevant to attraction - my personal experience shows and confirms this all the time. Thinking that race is related to attraction is like thinking that money and status are related to attraction - totally false. If you read this forum regularly, men complain all the time that women discriminate on the basis of looks, height, race, money, status, etc. Most men are whiners. Whining is counterproductive. Women are impressed by optimistic men. Nothing gets these men down. They put a positive spin on everything. Some men think white guys have it easier with women. Untrue! I know plenty of good-looking, accomplished, friendly white guys who are exceptionally bad with women. Btw, I agree with LIFE. The most successful Asian guys are always rooted in their own culture and their own people. Another thing - Eventually, all Asians go back to their own culture. It's just human nature. When you mature, you want to feel connected to your own people. LIFE, Haha, where are you from? I'm from Vancouver. Back in high-school, I spoke Mandarin and Cantonese all the time. I speak Taiwanese at university now, just for kicks. My sister, btw, speaks no English. She speaks only French and Mandarin. It's hilarious to hear her pronounce English words. She sounds like a Parisian Frenchwoman, with a generous serving of Chinese syntax for variety. Any good Asian dramas to recommend? I watched several addictive Mandarin dramas over the summer. I'm craving for more. From another post I've actually written another post on this subject. On that thread, the OP was an Asian guy asking how to attract white girls. Someone commented that it was helpful. I'll repost it here First of all - all women deserve our attention. Western society has been good for asians in the past twenty years. We asians should reciprocate through neighbourly conduct and sincere contributions. Nevertheless, each person has his preferences. As a Chinese Canadian, this area is my expertise. My bit follows: Definition: White girls: Self-explanatory Westernised asian girls: Asian girls who don't watch asian dramas. Non-westernised asian girls: Asian girls who watch asian dramas. 1. WGs are easier to pick up than NWAGs. Usually, WGs respond to opinion openers very well. NWAGs resist opinion openers. 2. The OP should watch more asian dramas. This way, he reconnects with his ancestral heritages. If you're deeply rooted in your ancestral heritages, all doors open for you. You become a much happier person. When you're a happier person, girls are drawn to you. 3. Each woman has her preferences. But these preferences mean nothing. They mean less than nothing, because they shift according to her mood, her current friends, and her most-recently-watched movie. For almost-all women, personality trumps everything. Personality trumps everything – I know, because I pick up girls all the time. When I pick up girls, I get IOIs (indicators of interest) like there’s no tomorrow. It doesn’t matter whether the girl is asian, white, or otherwise. 4. It's okay to like white girls. I like white girls, too. I'll tell you why - most white girls, if they stay in China for more than six months, become deeply attached to China. Many white girls have told me, "I have such a soft spot for China," or "I love China, because China is brave and strong," or even "My greatest wish is to marry into a Chinese family." These sentiments impress me everytime. Friends to my people, friends to me. 5. Study the art and science of pick-up. Then practise. To be proficient at picking up women, you must do at least 1000 approaches cumulatively. Nevertheless, even if you don't do 1000 approaches, understanding the basic concepts of pick-up will improve your social skills. When you have done 20 pick-ups, your body language and voice automatically improve. Then you become attractive to women. 6. I live in Vancouver, which is a half-asian, half-white city. All of my close asian guy friends are dating white girls. At least half of my close white guy friends are dating asian girls. This is good - intermarriages are living testaments to the friendship and alliance between our two peoples. These are pleasant days of sunshine and easy living. Tomorrow might bring rain and overcast clouds. By building friendship and alliance now, we build for ourselves a solid shelter. One day, living will be hard. People will grumble. But they will remember - in the past, such love existed between our peoples that intermarriages were common. Then they will forbear from rash words and rueful decisions. 7. Many asian guys are reserved. Our ancestors taught us the virtue of few words and great deeds. Nevertheless, some circumstances demand words. Many white girls like asian guys. Unfortunately, asian guys never approach them. Then, these girls imagine that asian guys are arrogant, or that asian guys don't like them. To be good with women, you must be good at conversations. You must be good at approaching strangers and speaking with strangers. thereforee, practise. 8. Today, most asian/white couples in North America are white-guy/asian-girl. But in many parts of Europe, it's the opposite. Historically, most asian/white couples in North America were asian-guy/white-girl. Actually, asian-guy/white-girl couples were considered such a problem in the old days that many moralists denounced it as a great vice. Many factors - for one thing, there weren't many asian girls in North America until the last fifty years. But this also proves that asian guys have a lot to offer – as was the common conclusion of contemporary observers. 9. You should love your ancestors, because they are your ancestors. For this reason alone, you should be in love with your people, your culture, and your traditions. I intend to live and die in Vancouver – thereforee, I’ll spread my pillow and blanket beneath the kingly red cedar. But my heart will always bear the plum blossom. Speaking of the mundane world, however – most people don’t know how good asian guys have it. Our people thrive in bad times. In good times, they flourish like wild flowers. Every major city in the world has a solid Chinese population. If you’re Chinese, you can go to any city in the world – you’ll find people who love you and care for you only because of your ancestry. Moreover, this century will be good for our people. Within my lifetime, I foresee that Heaven will prosper our people, enlarge our nation, and grant us many victories. Our sons and daughters will be princes and princesses – many glories await them, large and bright like poppies, and overwhelming too like a sea of poppies in summer. Our children will make garlands of poppies and decorate themselves like beautiful angels – they shall not know the sorrows of past days. Let’s stay on subject – dating, not geopolitics – the OP, however, should learn to play the asian card. It’ll enrich his life, whether he prefers to date asian girls or white girls. 10. As for me, I love the women of my people. How to explain it? Chinese women have a simple elegance. This simple elegance is graceful and womanly. But it is also genuine and down-to-earth. Chinese women are never pretentious and never cold. With their friends, they are always warm and hospitable. In fact, the best way to describe them is a luxurious down blanket. This blanket is smooth and soft – you want to hug it over and over again. And in winter, it keeps you warm. Not just your body, but your heart, too. When you make friends with Chinese women, it feels as though they touch your heart with every word, every movement. Sometimes, when your heart is cold and scattered, like a handful of dead ash, they warm it, just as a housewife handles the fire in her hearth with skill and dexterity. Sometimes, they kindle your heart into a great flame. Then you want to add your every drop of heart-blood into the cause of righteousness. Indeed, Chinese women are youqingyouyi. Sure, they are graceful and elegant, but they are also tough and fiercely loyal. They do not hesitate to sacrifice their wealth, reputation, or even life for a good cause or a friend in need. Chinese women are brave, strong, and adventurous. How else did our people flourish even under the heaviest adversity? These things confirm my view that my people are the most beautiful in the world. And having overcome the sorrows and hardship of the past two centuries – they are the bravest, too. Nevertheless, since I live in Vancouver, there’s a chance I might marry a white girl. But as I’ve said elsewhere, I will enter into a long-term relationship with a woman, only if she speaks Mandarin. I’ve already convinced several white girls around me to start studying Mandarin, just to qualify as my girlfriend. Who knows, even if you don’t date me, Mandarin can still be useful – e.g. in commerce, travels, meeting other asian guys, etc. from this post